Thread: Hypothetical Situation

This is something that actually can and does happen, and it is not always with angel or demon entities. It is known as the 'Walk In' occurance or 'Soul Exchange', and the new soul that takes the place of the original soul is known as the 'Walk In.' There are many people who feel that they are walk-in souls. And yes, when the body is dead, then the soul is released.

Some further info: Past Forward: Walk-Ins- Soul Exchange: (Spiritual - Adult Walk-Ins)

Thats really interesting, I think this may have occured to me, to be honest I don't really know.

Thank you krimson for the link. I believe it can happen with just spirits in general.

Thanks for all the responses and sorry for not being here to really respond so I'm all late haha.

The only kind of possession that is possible is similar to the concept of a person having a passenger in their car. They aren't the driver but they can on occasion, take control of the wheel or whisper into the mind of the person driving.

A supreme invocation allows such entities to take over entirely - that is a conscious choice though and eventually the consciousness of the person will come back. The only way an entity could COMPLETELY take control of someone like this - is if the person never had a consciousness at all. In this case, you'd have to be born without it... or have lost yourself to the cosmic inertia.

So the entity in this case would have to remember how they got into the being to begin with, wouldn't they?

And it is always possible to remember... even if lost in the depths of the sub-conscious... the right moment, at the right time, for someone of true consciousness will produce the insight they are seeking.

Unless of course, said entity forgot who it was - which may happen as it does in incarnation to someone who is otherkin or possibly of a higher consciousness. This can be compared to the movie ''Avatar'' when the main character went into the avatar and started interacting with them as if he was one of them, instead of ACTING like he was one of them.

Could it be possible to co-habit a body with an entity of some type in a sort of symbiotic relationship rather than flat out over-shadowing or possesion?

Could it be possible to co-habit a body with an entity of some type in a sort of symbiotic relationship rather than flat out over-shadowing or possesion?

Becoming blood bound to an entity makes this happen.

Sometimes there are ''possessions'' which are more like the standard ''oppression'' where an entity attaches itself to another's chakras and aura (particularly the solar plexus and throat).

Originally Posted by Euclestia

What if an Angel or Demon got trapped in a person's body for a significant amount of time? Let's say 10 years. The owner of the body is gone and there is just the entity left, pretty much left to do whatever. The entity is rendered powerless however in a body, so it is not able to leave on its own. How would you release it? Would the body have to die to release it? Also what would you do in a situation like this if you happened upon it?

Of course this is theory based. So anything is welcome. Thanks.

Anything's possible sort of question, yes?

It has a lot of variables. Did this person come up to me and say, hey, I'm trapped and want out, or did I just notice it?

Despite my years and experience (note: not years OF, just years and) I still end up in a spiritual crisis of sorts when I start to try to break down soul, spirit, egregore, archon, etc etc etc as to what is what and who is who. Many traditions and belief sets have wildly varying opinions, and sometimes I'm not even sure if my own stay constant from time to time.

I'm generally though of the ilk that all has "spirit". This includes person, place, and thing... generally - if it is a noun, it has spirit/a spirit (including the concept of, say, the spirit of Justice or Mercy).

Then I start to wobble again. Someone else used the car and driver analogy and I've also used that for years to describe the body versus 'the soul'. But then as I said I start to wobble because - the car has spirit, and the driver, also, has spirit. (Typing this out painfully slowly as I try to explain this).

Then I transition a little more smoothly into the whole circular astral vibrational level system.

By this point, I give up and read a bottle of Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Soap. (All One! All One!) Basically, the concept of unity, even with all the divisions, and that unity, I guess if anything, is underlying Spirit.

So to me, how a situation like this could have happened eludes me. See; some belief systems say it is impossible, others say likely to possible, all dependent on their vision of 'what is spirit' 'what is soul' 'what is angelic/demonic' etc.

And when it comes to angels and demons, though a christian upbringing in my youth colors things, I have to admit that with the tiny amount of reading I've done on kabbalistic angels/demons, that may click with me the best (where an angel is 'in balance' and the corresponding demonic is 'out of balance' - someone please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'd like to know more.)

So a demon trapped in a human body for 10 years may simply have a penchant for drink, a bad temper, and watches too much porn. I now suspect at least one person in my apartment building as being the object of this thought exersize.

So, say it wants to get 'out', wherever out is to. At first glance, in the shamanic tradition, I'm not sure if it would be possible. The body is 'ensouled' - not with its proper soul, but with something - and through shamans 'cast out' demons from people in the process of healing, they are casting them out of the physical body but OFF of the spiritual one (such as riders or other negative entites attached to auric fields - its all a matter of sematics really).

So, any travel to this individual in the middle realm would simply lead to encountering the resident of the vessel - the Angel/Demon, and as the example says, no one else. No luck there, at least for me.

Now to drift to my more eclectic knowhow.

I'd assume since it can't leave, its bound by an Astral cord. The first question would be, well, why? The cord should have been attached to the original resident, and had broken when the original soul left, leaving basically an animated living corpse, for lack of a better term, that the Angel/Demon should be able to abandon and re-indwell at any time.

I suppose at this point I'd be eyeing that cord like someone would eye the pair of obviously police-issue handcuffs on someone they met on the street who's asking you to take them off please. (won't help if theyre out of breath and their eyes are darting around as they ask either.)

Am I taking this too far? I guess the point is - if they can't leave AND they're a freaking ANGELIC (consider this to mean angelic/demonic)... who made that happen?

And do I really want to piss that thing off by helping it get out? I mean, I'm sure if it were desperate enough it would commit suicide - the same laws wouldn't apply to something that possessed and got stuck than a soul that was born in the natural order to fulfill a goal -- unless it TOO had a goal to fulfill.

I'm afraid I'd probably offer it a cup of tea (or a beer ) apologize, and send it on it's way. I would never be an agent of assisted suicide for a person. I damn well won't do it for an Angel - not even of the fallen variety.

Besides, I'd get arrested for murder by exorcism.

'm generally though of the ilk that all has "spirit". This includes person, place, and thing... generally - if it is a noun, it has spirit/a spirit (including the concept of, say, the spirit of Justice or Mercy).

Then I start to wobble again. Someone else used the car and driver analogy and I've also used that for years to describe the body versus 'the soul'. But then as I said I start to wobble because - the car has spirit, and the driver, also, has spirit. (Typing this out painfully slowly as I try to explain this).

I agree. I think the consciousness of the body is the sub-conscious. The sub-conscious can't think in abstract thought, just like animals. The consciousness of animals and humans have minimal skills in mental ability much akin to that of children.

Originally Posted by devakxes

I agree. I think the consciousness of the body is the sub-conscious. The sub-conscious can't think in abstract thought, just like animals. The consciousness of animals and humans have minimal skills in mental ability much akin to that of children.

I guess for me it begins to get confused when I think about a friend of mine - I'd say a step beyond children (at least, to adults ), but this could just be a matter of our own definitions and how we mean things.

When I was in my late 20's a friend of mine contacts me and tells me he has cancer. Well, he goes into it a little deeper than that, listing exact type and grade.

It was something like: "I had a seisure at work, and they found a grade three anaplastic astrocytoma in my brain."

At the time I worked in cancer research, so basically he has just told me, "I just found out I am going to die." Any possible miracles aside, no one gets better from these things.

So they had done surgery and taken a HUGE part of his brain out. I mean, huge, plus this astrocytoma. This is an attempt to get 'clean margins' - ie leave as little of the tumor there as possible. But due to type, this is liike trying to pull away and entire tangle of spider-web with one pull of your hand. There will still be edges, sitting around - brain cells after all.

These they tried to kill with chemotherapy and radiation, but there was also a section too close to his optical cortex they couldn't touch.

So I saw him after the surgery - and it was still him. 100% him. It was just a guy, knowing he was going to die. (Saddest part was - we're at a convention and he didn't want to go to them alone anymore, afraid the maid would come in and find him dead, etc. So there's me, good person I am, no no, I'll stay in the room with you, don't worry. Who wakes up screaming with the night terrors and ends up being calmed by the other one? ME. One of those sort of embarrassing things. Could blame 'empathy' all ya want - truth is I was more afraid to die at that point, I think, than he was.)

It was in the convention off-season a friend and I get a call that he's back in the hospital and has taken a turn for the worse, so friend drives me there.

And I walk in the room and, ok. No creepy visualisations or anything like that. But the sick friend... wasn't there. He wasn't IN his body anymore. Okm thinking about it now (as I post at 3am, msn messenger woke from a tucky dream so I took the escape-line out it gave me) there should have been an astral cord somewhere to follow some 'rule' that there needs to be one (I'm pretty sure there does), but regardless, no one was home.

The car had broken down.

Well, my friend greeted me, half empty-eyed (for lack of a better term), saw my neck, looks horrified (cause I'm in a neck brace I had just has surgery on my spine myself). Oohh, what happened? Are you alright? Now, before he had known I was going into surgery, but the tumor was devouring what was left of his brain. He was beginning to forget. I explain I was in surgery, but I'm fine now. Oh, well I'm in the hospital too. He laughs. He looks up at this picture in front of his bed of a river-side, one of those generic paintings they stick in hospital rooms, and appears to be concentrating. The people in the room at this point explain that my friend and I need to witness for his will.

"I don't like this picture", he says after a moment.

Then after a moment of him having some eyelid fluttering woozyness, the conversation repeats itself, but I get to hear the parts I had missed before in his last lucid moments.

Yes, you're in the hospital. Yes, I'm here, your mom's here, your girlfriend is here. You have cancer, do you remember? It's progressing and you're not doing well. You're going to likely die. Look. Your friends are here to witness your will.

Then I'm stuck in groundhog day all over again.

He lived a few more months after that, quite happily. One of those 'died after Christmas' thoughtful deaths. I was glad though that I said said goodbye to him long before this point. Because at this point, for all intents and purposes save transferring the title of that car to 'whence it came', he was done.

I guess my point is -- I think a body that is 'soul-less' can function quite well (as long as there is a way for it to stay alive. Owned but not currently occupied sort of deal) in the same way a non-magical person can curse someone quite adeptly. And I mean beyond just simple basic functions such as breathing/digesting/etc.

I'm reminded of what gets referred to as Dark Nights of the Soul or spiritual crisis where it feels like you're empty, powerless, 'not there' etc.

Heh. Maybe that's the whole point when people use the terminology that you feel that way because you're 'searching inside yourself' - if you don't associate 'yourself' with this body you occupy. Searching inside yourself.. somewhere else. Leaving the ego-concious you feeling empty. (Notice how dreams, though they may not be happy or any one theme at times like these, are the time you feel 'normal'?)

It's a shame. All of this is a bigger tangled mess than a lot of people want to think about for sake of ease - hell I think I confused myself again .

Originally Posted by Iza

there is no such thing as a demon possessing a body or being trapped. they will latch on but can not enter, and the demons are usually of the ID, and are not the physical. i sometimes wonder where people get these notions.

Originally Posted by Iza

releasing what? have we all gone mad?

Originally Posted by Iza

Blah, Blah, Blah.

Iza what wrong? every one is entitled to their own beliefs and this is a occult forum so why even post that.

i wonder where you get your notions?
If you know everything thing there is to know about everything then please enlighten us all, i am sure we could all use the extra free time from never having to study and experiment again.

look all i am saying is be a bit more open minded and lay off people.