Thread: Everybody has a Guardian Angel

Originally Posted by redmonk

I respect your opinion of course,you seem to be very clever, but in my opinion what he did was a sort of involution of the occult practices and the banalizattion of magical practices.

But in a certain way this was a good thing because it kept real magic away from profanes.

I think the last truth that he found was .
"Dont Do drugs " In fact he wrote about this in his final moments.

I can agree with the bit about the drugs. I think he, like many others, realized that some drugs can give you a "short cut" to certain perceptual states that normally take a lot of discipline and training to learn how to achieve. It's a costly "short cut" to be sure and not one I would recommend to anyone. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on his impact to occult studies however, I appreciate your points and the manner in which you present them. I think it boils down to different perceptions though as opposed to any fundamental differences, for instance you see the banalization of magic in many of Crowley's works whereas I recognize what you are talking about but, I see it as an introduction of ritual into the banal, creating magic in the moment. In the end neither of us will be around in these incarnations to see what history has to say on the subject and it may never really be settled. That is why I always like discussions about Crowley, you get a wide variety of opinions.

Originally Posted by Vir Sapiens

I can agree with the bit about the drugs. I think he, like many others, realized that some drugs can give you a "short cut" to certain perceptual states that normally take a lot of discipline and training to learn how to achieve. It's a costly "short cut" to be sure and not one I would recommend to anyone. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on his impact to occult studies however, I appreciate your points and the manner in which you present them. I think it boils down to different perceptions though as opposed to any fundamental differences, for instance you see the banalization of magic in many of Crowley's works whereas I recognize what you are talking about but, I see it as an introduction of ritual into the banal, creating magic in the moment. In the end neither of us will be around in these incarnations to see what history has to say on the subject and it may never really be settled. That is why I always like discussions about Crowley, you get a wide variety of opinions.

I dont like to talk about Crowley I think he simply does not worth it .

That´s why I prefer to talk Papus and Eliphas Levi , as you know they are the base.

I once had the opportunity to buy the first English edition copy of The History of Magic but the price was simply too high. Levi is, like most scholars, quite dry but very informative. I think his work is an invaluable research tool and as you say the base.

Hmm guardian angel is something i havent thought to much on just beacause it could be the thing telling us right and wrong is ourselves our own minds. This is my theory but then again there could be spirits that do watch over us from time to time this is somehthing i will have to think on.

I think I have a guardian demon rather than a guardian angel...

I don't think so.

a definition :

demon, daemon, and daimon all derive from Greek δαίμων (daimôn), the word for a spirit that served as a link between the human and divine spheres.

Even if one subscribes to an entirely Judeo-Christian paradigm when it comes to demons and angels there still wouldn't be a difference per se, being that the classic definition of demon in that paradigm is one of the fallen host allied with Satan/Lucifer. There is great debate on whether Satan and Lucifer are interchangeable in that context but, for most people utilizing that dogma they are. So all demons, at least of the Judeo-Christian variety, are also angels.

In my experience everyone does have a "gaurdian angel" they dont neccasarily guard but relay messages from the person to ..... well i dont know quite possibly the deity they pray too or maybe something else.

"everyone does have a "gaurdian angel" they dont neccasarily guard but relay messages from the person to"

Why do you think an Angel will bother guarding anyone ? wake up.....
No one haves a "guardian angel" there is no such thing, we are on our own as any living creature. Angels do exist but they are also creatures just like us and much more evolved , and on the contrary they hate humans. They call humans " bag of fluids".

OK first of all it seems that people in this thread use the same word (angel) for VERY different things - from something that is good to something that is neither independent to something that hates humans with a passion, and also from something that's like a human with feathery wings, all the way to shapeless, or ball or energy. Finally some mean angels as real and "out there" and others mean it as a personification of something mental, internal, or in any case "of the Self" (not a separate entity).

I would say let's first agree that we might be talking about different things when we say Angels, and even more so about HGA's.

Now, regardless of any theoretical stuff, what may or may not be out there, WHAT exactly is the practical use of this information ? Can HGA's be contacted, if so then HOW ?

And for people who have contacted them already, can you share some experiences ? Like a Before / After comparison ? Was it hard to do ? Was it worth it ?

Personally, I also find the concept of Guides fascinating, even more so that HGA's. Seems to me like an Angel is there for physical protection, like a last line of defense, where as contact with some Guides might make sure you don't end up in dangerous situations in the first place, by being where you're supposed to be, and doing what you're supposed to do, to make the best of yourself.

Opinions on this anyone ?