Working with Demons?

[lightbearer]

What have your experiences with working with demons been like? Which demon was your favourite to work with? What are some good books or grimoires to summon demons?

[Enlilki]

Good, Abraxas, None :p

My experiences have been good, most people come up with the same list of names when speaking of "demons", most common are the goetic spirits... Never tried to bother with a real demonic energy (Pazuzu style).

Abraxas/Decabria has been the most open and friendly out of the "demons" from my experience.

When it comes to books, I don't know. I'm anti christian in my outlook when it comes to occult practice.

[Balam_del_Monte]

you should take a look at a similar post.

[dannerz]

if you mean evil spirits : avoid them or you'll get f**ked and only find out when it's too late, yes they can time-travel and outsmart you.

if you mean daimons : that's another word for spirits it's the same difference.

if you mean anti-christian type entities, "demons" is not the right word for that.

Some people think christianity is crap,
So then they assume the christian 'God' is a bastard,
And then assume that satan is benevolent because he's the enemy of christianity and so most likely is the opposite and thus somehow good.

People take this idea to demons also.

Well most people's heads are full of trash let me tell you,
just ignore all of that and don't go for either polarity of religion.
both sides are dangerous illusions.

[Lokia_Zos]

Well most people's heads are full of trash let me tell you,
Generally trash from even more ancient trash filled heads. However, this doesn't mean "stay away from demons" unless that's something you feel deep down. However, I'm guessing the person who posted this either hasn't looked deep inside to see how they view demons, or if they have they still wish to work with them.

If the latter is the case the only "trash in their head" would be people telling them not to.

[chronazon]

demons are forces of nature, if they exist on the physical mental astral or cosmic planes. demons are dark, angels are white. one could also argue oxygen is white and carbon is black. or just think that everyone is so stupid, because a dark force of nature, not necessarily demonic, because of something in the human diet, like why the Jews won't eat pork and the Hindus beef, diet is probably part of the reason anyway. there are opium elementals in the necronomicon for all the planes of existance. just look at cutulu, an opium elemental of the physical plane, as manifest in the corpse king, an opium war baron. It brings you to the question, so opium elemental of the physical planeish, of "what type of system are you creating with the opiates where people can actually afford to do it when the end user suffers?" of course I got that question wrong trying to type it. coca cola has a big connection to cutulu, and as sugar is structurally related to cocaine, a can of coke is actually a speedball, the secret formula is to make it like an opiate. I have found it good to avoid sugar in magical workings, and people actually do look like cookie, the biggest ecstasy dealer in us history, who was north african.

there definitly are spirit beings and dark ones for sure. planting weeping willows and holly is good for harnassing spirits. willow branch loops can harnass night spirits, and holly collects and stores these spirits during the day.

[serpent]

I am interested in demons. Mostly the Goetic demons, most references i have read refer to them are in a 'satanic' sense, but not all. My interest in them, is that they are 'specialised', you can call different ones, for different reasons or causes. I wish to call them for help in matters. If someone could give me some advice, or tell of some expierence in the matter, that would be helpful. As much as you like. I must say this though, I find discussing such things online to feel kinda odd.... But finding people in person to help with specific matters such as this isn't really an option right now. Are some of you open with your practices?

I would like to add a question here. Void meditations, energy working medititions, chakras etc... are the bases for most magics of this type, correct? I have had success with my meditations and can feel real results and energies, and expierences that are not easy to explain. These results have pushed me to pursue other expierences. And one such as this, is something i want.

EDIT: Where can i find extensive information on demons? As opposed to the same brief descriptions.

[ThisIsNecessary]

Everyone gets different results and reacts to certain Currents in different ways. I hate it when one person will say "Oh I've worked with bla bla bla and he's a meany! Avoid him."

We must understand that the individual is both the catalyst and the variable when it comes to invocation/evocation. The entity is in some way working through you(and often created by you, if you accept that theory) to manifest your desires, which in turn can mean a few things that will make it a very personal experience, the chief one being that it might in some subtle way be a reflection of yourself. This may work against our desires in a few areas...

Carroll's theory of a 'Psychic Censor' should be read up by any magician, chaote or not. It asserts that there is a internal force that works against any recognition or manifestation of paranormal or metaphysical activity, essentially to keep us safe and sane. This force has the possibility to pop up in our workings with spirits, and is not a theory explored by many who would benefit from it. This might work against our desires even through the entity we are channeling.

And yes, in my opinion the whole "avoid them or you're f**ked" mentality is exactly what holds back the potential of many aspiring magicians, and needs to be done away with or we'll never move forward. Find out for yourself, starting working with them in your own way, and you might find that those "getting f**ked" are letting their own fear and insecurity get in the way of some healthy experimentation and productivity. imho...

[Altpath]

EDIT: Where can i find extensive information on demons? As opposed to the same brief descriptions.

You could try asking the daemons themselves. Not that hard ;)

I agree with ThisIsNecessary, avoiding demons/daemons is counterproductive to growth. Someone who wants to "evolve" to get closer to god or their gods, is losing out on something major if they avoid working with these entities. I understand some people don't get along with them, and in that case yes it may be necessary to avoid them, but not even trying is a huge mistake.

Took me at least two years to figure out how to work with them in my own path, I would think others should make the same strong effort if they can't make any progress. Just try, and try again!

[nephilim]

What demon disguised as a fool managed to trick humanity?

How do you think you can commune with demons without being obsessed?

Yes indeed we are brought up to believe it is superstition. Does these teachings necessarily oppose the question upon me and you that nothing of divine nature excists on earth?

Does anyone know God's language?

Appearantly many mystics are being persecuted for their beliefs still which is in violence of religious freedom act granted by the un. These however could be understood to be in posession of their own religion. I believe media treats mysticism as a mere function for earning money which isn't in my opinion sincere. I do not however believe communing with demons is a crime anymore.

As religious persecution concerved by many a religious fanatic of other religious confidence clearly can be understood that many humanists believe religion to be man made.

Is what to believe in a manner of choice?

Personally I have tried some rituals and believe I opened the third eye and closed it again.

I also had a vision in which I saw an eye in the sky.

And a near to death experience which were the light in the end of a tunnel.

As I have to be an adult about this and thoroughly find modern clinical psychology to be more of a devil worship than communing with demons or other mystic folklore creatures for as displayed on television entertainment. My experience as a patient concluded it might be better to live in ignorance.
A movement known as the new-age movement failed in it's attempt to destroy industrialism as it were bought by industries of different kinds.

Now you see, after several years; science, politicians and the workers are starting to realise nature is fragile and should be cherished with respect.

How about summoning some demons for nature?

[BertilRothschild]

One of the problems you can have with demons is not knowing which one you are dealing with. Although I believe that working with demons is necessary, I think you need to be careful. Many of the books that explain how to evoke demons are mined with errors (deliberate or not) that can prevent your working from functioning or even cause a different demon to manifest. You can access a lot of power by working with demons and while a lot has been written a lot has also been done to limit access to this knowledge.

[BertilRothschild]

follow thread

[nephilim]

Legalized-Dreams (http://www.legalized-dreams.org)

some of it is occult indeed...

I believe there is a ghost here known as the coin-thrower...

[nephilim]

Well spirits and demons taking place in my body. Do you impose experience to be a fragile component and an easy victim for possession by demons. Is it not infact so that some demons feed on ignorance? Little do I know allthough resicilliance in me is based on my rather significant conflict with cynic psychology not acknowledging these phenomena as presence. However constantly digging further into the unknown I experience a hollowness as if what drives me into the occult is not fear of myself rather curiousity. And curiousity is no sin. However usually not practicing as I found these phenomena hard to believe you imply that this notion is not a satisfactory defence against obsession. Is it cynic to pursue the occult as some sort of game? Is my intention filled with doubt resulting in easy prey for demons? I have a strength in classic materialist viewpoints of reality allthough sometimes there's a glitch. Channeling demons? Are demons only manifested in bodies of weak soul or mind? Excorism...Tell me about excorsism. Further to face a demon with innocence I fear pulls them against me. My seclusion is not to manifest demons in me rather cast them out. I know it is superstition for most folk allthough my experiences I must inform you tells me otherwise. This coin-tosser only want's a friend. However he is not evil at all. Just a playful boy really. Do you believe summoning demons may be a door to the spirit world? Conjuring them I am afraid I have not yet heard or seen anyone do. So there is doubt even in the greater magicians am I right?

[ZeldaFitz]

Has anyone here worked with the XOYLO? I have and they make all this other crap seem tame in comparison.

[nephilim]

Are you refering to the war between heaven and hell? I thought Satan rules hell. Do you know if it is prophecized Satan fallen angel's return to heaven?

And isn't it our souls the demons are after?

[ZeldaFitz]

No and no. The working with demons is grossly overrated.

[fish]

dont do that!!!!

demons are tricky, my great grandfather x100 worked with demons(king solomon)

they will pretend or offer to help. but they are so tricky and will overpower you and hurt u in the end. dont start with them. theres nothing good they can do that is both good in the long run and short term

they will begin to give u what you need and then turn on you in a very bad way and you will lose everything. thats how it is. they backstab and they are smarter than you,wiser than you trickier,swifter,stronger than you. people to demons are like mice to lions. people are the mice.

[LostLegion]

dont do that!!!!

demons are tricky, my great grandfather x100 worked with demons(king solomon)

they will pretend or offer to help. but they are so tricky and will overpower you and hurt u in the end. dont start with them. theres nothing good they can do that is both good in the long run and short term

they will begin to give u what you need and then turn on you in a very bad way and you will lose everything. thats how it is. they backstab and they are smarter than you,wiser than you trickier,swifter,stronger than you. people to demons are like mice to lions. people are the mice.

Your the same person who claims that your sister is demonic influence right?

[Corbeau de Marais]

EDIT: Where can i find extensive information on demons? As opposed to the same brief descriptions.

You may well want to check out demonolatry.org. and the OFS.

You are unlikely to find too many other intelligent or worthwhile sources out there.

They are a tad closed and selective, but their library is extensive.

Corbeau de Marais

[grbree]

ive only ever "worked" with one demon, a goetic, astaroth ive made pacts with him quite a few times (yeah i know im prolly screwed) and so far so good. something recently was just done i hate school always have one of my first pacts was to get me out of school i just didnt really know it was what it was, but anyhow i had math finals today, last week i was always thinkin how to get out of it low and behold flat tire when we left. so far nothing bodily bad has happened for some reason he likes me.

[controlledchaos]

I have worked with one "demon" named ellegua. very mysterious and mischievous. pateint teacher just a lil weird in how he does it. Demons iin my view for the most part are just here to tempt and make ourselves better. However there are forces out there trying to do ill.. so just bewae what you let into ur self.

[devakxes]

I tend to get rid of the exoteric gloss when explaining some of these things.

Really, because of Judeism and Christianity... some of the demons are just bastardized names of various deities.
Ashtaroth - Astarte
Moloch - An Actual God who became demonized
Lilith - An actual Goddess who became demonized
Herasas (sp?) - Horus

They demonized certain deities in order to spread their beliefs. Thus I do believe some of them are forces/deities. I also believe some of them are groups of spirits. It is hard to characterize them because demonology has changed over time with history.

In my belief, a deity is a omnipresent force... and we just anthropormorphize them or ''personalize/personificate'' them in order to connect with them better. However, I think that all forces are both dark and light.

Luciferians believe that demons are spirits of light that have dived into the darkness.. thus becoming Whole and a God in their own right.

Currently I've worked with mammon, belial, lilith, nahema, samael, lucifer, satan.... right now in my magickal path I'm working primarily with Samael.

[Leithalia]

hmmm i must say that i have fairly good experiences with "demons" as u may call them

i have a certain "guardian demon" whos been with me since i can remember..
as she has told me...
watch out with summoning the unknown and make sure to.. if your unexperienced.. ask a spiritual guide like .. a demon you do have a bond with...
but to say "NO DONT DO IT!"
i dont think Lucifer is "pure evil" ...and i dont think "demons" are pure evil..
i think "angels" are more evil than demons.. seeing how they try to distract and misguide the masses to the wrong path..

Ave Satanas!!

[Baah_Baah_Black_Sheep]

My loner nature makes me inclined to work alone, so that includes not working with demons. They are too much a pain in the a$$ to get rid of if you don't like them. Not going into great detail, but a few years ago an entity showed up one day, and it took forever to make him bugger off.