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shintashi
04-10-2009, 09:12 AM
I started reading through Blavatsky's book, and while my experiences in Manhattan made me initially adverse to the myth of the Madam, I must say there's a certain element worth addressing, highly relevant in the present.

Blavatsky claims there is a battle between Idealism and Materialism, between "Science" and something else. While I have my own conclusions, largely derived from my experiences with Academia and various practitioners, I am curious as to what the rest of you believe:

Is there really a conflict between the mainstream and the substratum?

isis
04-10-2009, 09:42 AM
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BadGirl
07-29-2009, 04:58 PM
Well, remember that "Isis Unveiled" was written sometime in the later part of the 1800's, for one. So this antagonism between Idealism v.s. Materialism should be looked at, and re-looked at over a period of time.

I do believe there is present evidence to suggest that there is still a battle between the Philosophical, Religious, and Scientific institutions of our present day.

What I found valuable about Blavatsky's "Isis Unveiled" was that she details very much about the root mystery traditions of various schools (particularly in the east); from astral travel, to initiatory accounts and experiences- it really makes you wonder what is possible. And should give the student of occultism some time to wrap his head around the more esoteric aspects of what it is he's getting him/herself into at all.


Aleister Crowley said that he thought she was a charlatan at first, and then realized that she was anything but (he even goes so far as to praise her for her "The Voice of The Silence"), yet he was convinced at first that she was a charlatan because she made herself appear to look like an illusionist to those people who followed her that she regarded as people who weren't quite there in earnest, and yet spoke on a more serious level to those who she believed to be sincere students.

She, like Aleister Crowley- would attest to speaking with Ascended Masters of a various type.

devakxes
02-02-2010, 05:25 PM
It deals with evolution.
In science - the universe is trying to become ideal... but it is lacking a spiritual perspective.
In religion - spirit is trying to become physical... but it is lacking a proper vehicle.

In this case... both science and religion are pointing towards the same truths...thus is why Theosophy calls Occultism a Science.

In Theosophy, matter and spirit are trying to unite... which brings about the Night of Brahma. This is the most ideal way to bring about The Night of Brahma. ( The Mahapralaya... the end of All .... the return to the original state and slumber... The Absolute.... ''She who sleeps in her invisible robes beyond the ring of Pass Not'')

However, if both forces cannot reconcile... the End is inevitable and all will dissolve anyway.

ZeldaFitz
02-02-2010, 05:34 PM
Theosophy is a blend of Science and Philosophy and Religion. The book has a few mistakes and flaws in it. Blavatsky had problems at times understanding the words dictated to her by the Masters. My friend is a teacher and a member of the Society and this is one of the books discussed.