Sigils not working

[ninfan]

I have tried working with sigils but unfortunately to no avail. Methods that I have used to charge the sigil are masturbation & deathposture. I am wondering where I am going wrong. I am following everything as per AOS how to make sigils. I am not thinking about the desire after charging the sigil etc etc. Also, I have been trying siigils which should take really less time to manifest & do not put a strain on the universe. Here r a few sigils that I have been trying - onh n please dont mind the wish, i just love the thought of experriencing hell.

It is my will to visit hell in my dreams
It is my wish to experience eternal suffering in my dreams
It is my will to have visions of my past life in my dreams

None of them worked. Anyway I have also started meditating seriously, maybe that will help. Maybe i shud look for new mothds or keep the sigils at a place where i unconsciously see them daily.

[VIRAL]

Sigils are good for wishes, but those are things that will take more than wishes. If you want enlightenment in you dreams or just interesting dreams, I have a rune for that in my "runes of darkness" post.

[Reinga]

Wait a min... you say your not thinking about the sigils afterwards then posting the intents of the sigils on a forum?

^ oh and VIRAL I thought boiling tobbaco was poison, I maybe wrong just what I thought :P

[Blaec]

I tried my first sigil last night facilitating meditation. I realise how stupid the one I made was as I wanted to wake up just before my alarm went off, however I woke up around 10 times last night with the thought of my alarm about to go off.

[Gazeeboh]

Sigils don't work for everyone but remember, they are just a tool in the toolbox of "magic".

If you don't enjoy reading history books, should you just stop reading? No! You read something that resonates with you and still gets you what you want.

But, for your benefit, here do this.

Make you little squiggly drawing that embodies your will.
Blast off.
/operation.

You have to let it go. If we didn't, every half-assed day dream we had would be happening and every fear we dwelled on would have killed us.

You should just try something else I think. Until you get vacuity down and learn to forget and relax into your magical confidence. Try planting your sigil in the ground and watering it with something that you think is appropriate. Gatorade, water, your blood, whatever.

But please don't fall into the trap that the rest of us have. This is where we get really boring and make the universe get us money or entry into the hallowed pants of that hot chick down the road. Don't limit yourself please.

[Lokia_Zos]

Sigils have always worked for me, but remember that you're working with the subconscious and sometimes it has very different desires than you might consciously have. I'd imagine your subconscious doesn't want to experience eternal suffering, and what if eternity just doesn't exist. I mean, I've experienced some very unreal things...and know these things to be nothing more than the working of the imagination.

Also, as someone already said...you're not forgetting your desires. You posted them. A good way to forget is just make tons of sigils over a period of time and charge a random one every day, every other day, every week...whatever.

[NachtSorcier]

Instead of poisoning yourself with tobacco, you might try less innocuous herbs that relax the conscious mind such as lavender, valerian, hops, and mugwort. In combination, a tisane of seemingly inoffensive herbs such as these can have surprising effects.

[Captain Nik]

Sometimes personal sigals do not manifest , we have to realize chaos magick does not work for everyone, the suit sometimes does not fit.

[Lokia_Zos]

Sigil work is not Chaos Magick.

[redhand]

Sigil work is not Chaos Magick.I agree sigil work can be found in many different paths!

[ninfan]

u got me there, well actually since my sigils werent working,
i took a break n started concentrating on meditation, hence i thought it would be ok to just post my wishes.



Wait a min... you say your not thinking about the sigils afterwards then posting the intents of the sigils on a forum?

[ninfan]

oh i beg to differ strongly on this one. The only limitations we have are those we impose on ourselves.
I will never give up on magick. Let 1000 sigils go waste but never ever.

QUOTE=Captain Nik;14757]Sometimes personal sigals do not manifest , we have to realize chaos magick does not work for everyone, the suit sometimes does not fit.[/QUOTE]

[ninfan]

yes all my sigils r made by myself


Ninfan,

Have you tried creating your own Sigils ?

LoS

[ninfan]

thanks, i may try it out soon, & thankyou everyone else for taking their time out & posting.


Sigils don't work for everyone but remember, they are just a tool in the toolbox of "magic".

If you don't enjoy reading history books, should you just stop reading? No! You read something that resonates with you and still gets you what you want.

But, for your benefit, here do this.

Make you little squiggly drawing that embodies your will.
Blast off.
/operation.

You have to let it go. If we didn't, every half-assed day dream we had would be happening and every fear we dwelled on would have killed us.

You should just try something else I think. Until you get vacuity down and learn to forget and relax into your magical confidence. Try planting your sigil in the ground and watering it with something that you think is appropriate. Gatorade, water, your blood, whatever.

But please don't fall into the trap that the rest of us have. This is where we get really boring and make the universe get us money or entry into the hallowed pants of that hot chick down the road. Don't limit yourself please.

[RunningAroundNakedOnFire]

Sigils rock. They are fun and you can get so creative with them. I wouldn't give up on sigil work. It can be very rewarding if only even for art purposes. My advice is to take a break from trying them for a bit. Get it out of your mind. Then when you come back to them, don't read about how to make sigils. The whole "it is my will" thing is kinda played out and, well, at least to me, boring. So when you come back to sigils just do it all with intuition.

I once did one at work by holding a cup full of paper clips and focusing on my desire or what I wanted inscribed into the sigil. At the apex of that focus I threw the paper clips all over the floor. I copied the shapes they fell in and made a design out of that. I then taped the sigil to a computer while I tried to beat a high score on a video game. I tend to get "zennish" or "vacuous" when I play video games. After I beat the high score I went outside, burned the sigil and the forgot about it. The sigil was to see a man wearing an orange shirt. It worked within 10 minutes. No shitting.

So point is, HAVE FUN with sigil magick. Don't treat it like a business. Give yourself a break and then come back to it with some renewed energy and ideas towards it and I'm betting you'll see results pretty quickly.

Also, start small and realistic with the results you want. It builds confidence which is of course really important with stuff like this. That's not me talking. I think it's Peter Caroll.

[VIRAL]

@ reinga Yes tobacco is technically posonous so is chinese food and doritos. Consuming boiled tobacco in small amounts is perfectly safe, and it will give you vivid dreams. Indians have been doing it for thousands of years. Ever been to a sweat lodge? Anyone doesn't like my answer, then don't try it. More for me!

[kleet]

I have tried working with sigils but unfortunately to no avail. Methods that I have used to charge the sigil are masturbation & deathposture. I am wondering where I am going wrong. I am following everything as per AOS how to make sigils. I am not thinking about the desire after charging the sigil etc etc. Also, I have been trying siigils which should take really less time to manifest & do not put a strain on the universe. Here r a few sigils that I have been trying - onh n please dont mind the wish, i just love the thought of experriencing hell.

It is my will to visit hell in my dreams
It is my wish to experience eternal suffering in my dreams
It is my will to have visions of my past life in my dreams

None of them worked. Anyway I have also started meditating seriously, maybe that will help. Maybe i shud look for new mothds or keep the sigils at a place where i unconsciously see them daily.

I wonder if yourself is holding you back. I know how fun pain/suffering can be for people, but your higher self might be protecting you.

I'm really bad with sigils (they never look right when I make them), so I can't advise on what you're doing, but I would try a different method of charging them. Something more energy focused and less... well... symbolic.

[Phnouthis]

I have never had a bit of convincing success with sigil magic. Honestly, I don't even understand how the theory underpinning its purported mechanism is any different from--or includes anything more than--that implicated in hypnosis.

[Angel Rat]

Sigils rock. They are fun and you can get so creative with them. I wouldn't give up on sigil work. It can be very rewarding if only even for art purposes. My advice is to take a break from trying them for a bit. Get it out of your mind. Then when you come back to them, don't read about how to make sigils. The whole "it is my will" thing is kinda played out and, well, at least to me, boring. So when you come back to sigils just do it all with intuition.

I once did one at work by holding a cup full of paper clips and focusing on my desire or what I wanted inscribed into the sigil. At the apex of that focus I threw the paper clips all over the floor. I copied the shapes they fell in and made a design out of that. I then taped the sigil to a computer while I tried to beat a high score on a video game. I tend to get "zennish" or "vacuous" when I play video games. After I beat the high score I went outside, burned the sigil and the forgot about it. The sigil was to see a man wearing an orange shirt. It worked within 10 minutes. No shitting.

So point is, HAVE FUN with sigil magick. Don't treat it like a business. Give yourself a break and then come back to it with some renewed energy and ideas towards it and I'm betting you'll see results pretty quickly.

Also, start small and realistic with the results you want. It builds confidence which is of course really important with stuff like this. That's not me talking. I think it's Peter Caroll.

Cool story. I'm a beginner in sigil magick and I've made my own sigils but they have not worked the way I wanted to and I think that is because of my own obsession. I am very obsessive (for example: I fully hate my job and I wish to move to a better one and I can't take that desire out of my mind).

Now I am making sigils related to some "unwanted desires". I mean, something I would like to have but I know it won't obsess me (for example: I would like to get five bucks next week or similar)

[Theda]

I´m terrible at sigils. I don´t get quick results..the gap between castig the sigil and the actula happening is about 1 year (for me). Anyway, here are some points that I think might be usefull:

1) Are you sure that you are letting the desire go? It´s not only to forget the sigil per se. It is, actually, to put a gap between you and the intented manefiested on the sigil. Let go the desire, not atach to it.

2) Grant Morison´s pop magic has an excelent tip: Try to cast sigils to ordinary things like sun shine in the morning, a 24 hours day..it´s a way of letting you mind get use to the whole sigil process.

3) Another great is to prepae several sigils put them ona box, and only when ou have a good number of them and forgot about them, charge it..

[kid kunjer]

chaos magic must work for everyone by the nature of what it means; ie experimentation, and correcting failure.

so the sigil firing didn't work? ask yourself the question "why not?"
your subconcious will bubble up an answer which will be correct even if it doesn't make logical sense.
if you are having difficulty with listening to yourself then try astrally looking into a mirror and asking your reflection the question.

many magicians can make the mistake of waging war with thier universe, the language we use to describe our art 'firing' and such leads some to believe that it is a struggle. nothing comes of struggling except failure. magic should be easy, effortless, flowing. just LET it happen. it wants to happen, it is happening, can you feel it? happening right now?