Is it possible Bring Back physical THings from the Astral Relam?

[deicide]

That.

It could be possible?

[VIRAL]

I have had many dreams where I have brought back things from the dreamworld only to find them gone when I looked in my bed. I didn't even think it was possible. They say that gold brought back from the faery world turns to dried leaves. An excellent book in which this happens is called "the House Between Worlds" by Marion Zimmer Bradley.

One popular misconception about the astral realm is that we are just observers there and can't be hurt. One time when I was in austria I saw someone's astral body watching me while I was in a public place. Later that day back at my aunt's house in the countryside, I saw him again, so I used my kundalini energy and turned it into a big scorpion tail, which I smacked him with, stinging him. His signal went completely dead like he had just passed out. In retrospect, that was mean of me he was probably just curious. But I'll bet he will be more careful about who he follows!

[Lokia_Zos]

I'm able to manifest lighters where there are none. I've done this at least three times, two of them I'm 100% sure there wasn't a lighter in my room or the place where it manifested. I'll look away from a spot, go outside for a walk maybe and then a lighter is there. It's always appeared in one spot, on my coffee table. It always disappears after an hour. It's a cheap lighter, usually green with no fluid in it. It always lights though.

I'm glad that some of the most amazing and clear results of physical change from magick is also helping me keep up my smoking habit. Who needs Knowledge and Conversation when you can have Lung Cancer?

[VIRAL]

That's neat. Are you sure it's coming from the astral pane, it could be from the mental plane or also an "apport". We all have times where things are where we didn't leave them, for instance my roommate would have missing cigarettes one day and extra ones the next. Perhapse things like this are more commonplace than expected. After all, like in the rhyme, "life is but a dream."

[spiritual_aspirant]

Yes, I hear this is more common in the East though, specifically in India. There is a book that recounts this phenomenon in good detail. The book is "Autobiography of A Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda.

[OneArt]

I'm able to manifest lighters where there are none. I've done this at least three times, two of them I'm 100% sure there wasn't a lighter in my room or the place where it manifested. I'll look away from a spot, go outside for a walk maybe and then a lighter is there. It's always appeared in one spot, on my coffee table. It always disappears after an hour. It's a cheap lighter, usually green with no fluid in it. It always lights though.

I'm glad that some of the most amazing and clear results of physical change from magick is also helping me keep up my smoking habit. Who needs Knowledge and Conversation when you can have Lung Cancer?

But if one can manifest lighters one can surely unmanifest lung cancer? *lights up*

I think mediums already do this. It's called creating an apport, or something. They're reported to manifest all kinds of things from flowers to animals.

Come to think of it, it'd be a dead handy ability. No need for me to be smokes ever again. Or alcohol for that matter. *poof* just have a sinfully crystal-clear bottle of Stoli appear out of nowhere.

Gunna have pleasant dreams tonight... :)

[Harlock]

well before everyone goes crossing things over happy, consider this, if you take lets say a tumor and take it out that also takes the brain tissue its attached to, thus leaving a hole in your brain which can equal in brain death. on top of that you are stripping the atoms of that energy, not transferring the atoms over, so what would happen to those atoms? secondly it would require an eminse amount of training for such a precision operation. on top of that what happens to the "cancerous energy?" there are so many questions, let alone what effect this would have on the already deteriating veil between the astral and the physical realm. and trust me it would have an effect.

[chronazon]

I have seen spirit beings and such materialize in physical beholdable material form, but I think isn't telekinesis the opposite of bringing things into the physical world from the astral?
telekenesis is manipulating the physical world with the astral positive energy and this inductive negative grounding in the sense of manifesting reality.
shared experience and bringing specific energy back from the astral to charge physical objects are the only real things that would make astral nifluence over the physical possible, if two people were to see the same spirit or to take the energy back from the astral and charge something with it. tapping into the collective unconcious to find speciic things and take them back, is a tremendous task, similar is archtypally thinking of an image of something you would like to attract in your life, somethign you would like to have, and say use a money drawing spell in conjunct.

[kleet]

But if one can manifest lighters one can surely unmanifest lung cancer? *lights up*

I do have a reasonably deep understanding of how a lighter is constructed. I have a scetchy understanding of how a tumour is constructed (in fact, even the tumour is not sure how it is constructed. Otherwise it would build itself better).

So... I wouldn't try to remove a tumour until I understood it.


I don't think you can take things out of the astral into they physical. The "matter" of the astral seems too different. Although, every physical thing should be within the astral (just like everything is inside Aen Soph), so you might just be "teleporting" things around.

[Azaziel]

That.

It could be possible?

Not directly, no. You can use the astral as a staging ground to manifest physical world things though; in fact all physical world things are imaged in the astral before they are made on the physical plane.

[ZeldaFitz]

Not directly, no. You can use the astral as a staging ground to manifest physical world things though; in fact all physical world things are imaged in the astral before they are made on the physical plane.

The body, or the astral I should say is the model for the physical.

[psi-bot]

I regulary take stuff to it with 100% success, These are not just dreams I have worked through lucidity to get to the astral but the work I have done is replicated in the real world , so yes in essence I have brought stuff from the astral to this plane but I cant go there and just take, there seems to be rules at play here allow me to explaine, I cant go there and take what I want but If my real life ok needs sorting somehow on the earth plane I project the whole part of my life I want to change in the astral and I have compleate control over it in dreamscape/ lucid state and I then rearrange stuff add stuff to it within reason (the acceptable possibilities within my reach on the earth plane I mean lol) and within days it comes in to my real life for me as a person. It blew my mind that all of us can and we all have this amount of control in our lifes.

The stuff I have taken there is a torch, some string and a marker pen.. I am able to either carry on from the night before and have total recall or start a brand new episode of which i can dictate at will or I can just have normal sleep, the torch and marker pen I used the string is still there. I place it under my pillow and create a mantra with the items in, as I start to enter lucidity and they are there with me when I get there, altho when I wake its still under my pillow. I then remove them from under there and when I get to the astral they are still there in my humble abode cos I have not deleated them from there. hope that offers a pointer of two for ya ;)

[Azaziel]

I'm able to manifest lighters where there are none.


So it's you that's been nicking my lighters! ;)

[Azaziel]

Yes, I hear this is more common in the East though, specifically in India. There is a book that recounts this phenomenon in good detail. The book is "Autobiography of A Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda.

He was a charlatan and a paedophile to boot.

[Nicca]

i dont know about bringing back physical things but i remember me and my friend once astral projected and we were attacked by someone. i came out of it with scratches on my arms the exact place i was attacked. and Ash was drained of all her energy it was completely weird and my 1st time doing something like that!

[Azaziel]

From my experience the best one can hope to establish in the physical world is a sort of gateway where the physical and the astral can co exist. An evocation is an example of such an environment. This gateway is closed as soon as the ritual is over though and can not from what I know be made permanent.

Good insight.

If the gate was left open we would find ourselves in white, cushioned cells.

[angeress]

It would be very interesting to bring back people instead of items back from the Astral Realms.

[ZeldaFitz]

Good insight.

If the gate was left open we would find ourselves in white, cushioned cells.

No, that is the problem. what you bring back is not permanent.

[grim789]

When i was lucid dreaming i had fallen asleep in my dream which was really abnormal i was dreming in my dream and i kept pictureing a sword laying in my lap i woke up in my lucid dream and there was the sword its almost like it was really there i could feel myself touching it but when i come back fully into reality there was nothing there but it was a pretty crazy experience i really thought that i had a sword why a sword idk for sure but it was an interesting experience that i wont soon forget.