My Take on Hollywood Magick

[OneSixTheAntiVirus]

Hello everyone,

According to Jordan Maxwell, the ancient druids of Britain used a specific type of wood for their wands. They used the wood of the Holly tree to perform their magick rituals and spells. Today, Hollywood still plays an important role in the dark art of mind manipulation and control.

I have often thought about the true purpose of the movie industry and why so much money is used to finance these films and movie stars.

One reason is to distract and entertain the ignorant and apathetic masses while they perform their crimes in secrecy.
The movie industry is also used to release and communicate their past, future, and current activities through encoded stories to both laugh at the ignorant and show off their knowledge.
I recently saw the new Indiana Jones movie and I think Spielberg is telling a very power message about ancient off-world knowledge that has influenced civilization for thousands of years. That whole series is just filled with occult symbolism.

Another reason I have and perhaps the most insidious is to 'make grooves in the Matrix.' In other words, they subtly instruct people how to live their lives by showing them characters who are cool, wealthy, successful, attractive, ect. and thus teach them the proper way to fit in and interact. This is propaganda at its highest levels and is the ultimate weapon for mass mind control.

Hollywood magick needs to be understood and discussed more if we are ever to break free from The Hypnosis.

Intriguing stuff in my opinion.

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[Gazeeboh]

You have to realize that anything you enjoy is controlling you.

Your heroes are your tyrants. Anything good, or bad (whatever that means) that has power over you is pushing you to do it's bidding.

Just pick your masters with discretion. That is the only freedom we have.

[Lady Dunsany]

I have no heroes and will not tolerate tyrants. I guess I will not make it in Hollywood. Oh yes I have a holly tree right next to my house and it is not there for decoration.

[OneSixTheAntiVirus]

You have to realize that anything you enjoy is controlling you.

Your heroes are your tyrants. Anything good, or bad (whatever that means) that has power over you is pushing you to do it's bidding.

Just pick your masters with discretion. That is the only freedom we have.


Wise words, friend. Is it unvirtuous to be someone's hero then? Even if you have benevolent intentions? I've never been anyone's master (ask my ex-girlfriend lol) nor an apprentice--I've always been a loner. Where's the line between manipulation and education?

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[Lady Dunsany]

Deep within your self.

[Gazeeboh]

Where's the line between manipulation and education?

When does red stop being red and turn to orange, to yellow, to blue?
I would argue that there are only gradients, no lines, just points maybe.

I would also put forth, there can only be manipulation. The labels you put on it after that are your own and subjective like the rest of the universe.


Is it unvirtuous to be someone's hero then?

Just depends on what you and those around you think. Just keep in mind that you are in some way controlling the persons actions and thoughts, villain or hero.

[RaptorX]

I believe that hollywood is in fact a huge distraction/show off but I have noticed some people trying to open the eyes of the people also through movies.

One thing I have concluded, through my short life here in this planet is that humans love and apparently NEED somebody to control them. If you tell the world that there will be no religion, just look around and try to comprehend what surround you without giving right away the unknown to the "master of universe", no economy, just pure trade without interests, loans and other forms of slavery, no teachers-students in the way that we have today in which teachers are supposed to be "higher" than students... if you tell them, we are all different than each other and we serve different purposes and you dont have to be exactly the same as the other 10 million people around you...

People will simply go crazy.

They will after a time ELECT by consensus a group of people or 1 person to "guide" them.

Is in our nature to obey someone, first your parents, then your teacher, then your boss, God, Satan, saviors you name it, you obey your parents, they obey the "system" which obey the government, the government obey the corporations, the corporations obey the banks, the banks obey the money well is just a circle...

[Lady Dunsany]

I think the reason I have survived this long considering what I have done or been through is because I have never let anyone control me. Hollywood they go with what is trendy, if it is cool then it is the fad for the season. These people haven't a clue as to what spirituality and occultism is all about. They are like spoiled little children in candy in a candy shop. Sad.

[Harlock]

we are all under control of somebody, parents, bosses, media (aka hollywood) our faviorate authors, even the books we read discussing the Arts, these things influence us, for good or for evil (including your own meaning) they are there and change our attitude and personality by it, the best way to pursue a "free" life is to choose the influence on your lives carefully, but always remember we are always being influenced, and to take that knowledge and use it

[Lady Dunsany]

There is a big difference between control and influence. I have been influenced for the good by my teachers and my studies and influenced by a coven I belonged to for the bad, but I have never been controlled by anyone whether good or bad. There is this part of me that has an alarm and as soon as the control issue arises I am gone. I can not and will not surrender that part of me to anyone. Hollywood is filled with influences and control and it is cut off from the rest of the world. These people are protected and are basically treated like babies as they can't even pick out their own clothes much less pick up after themselves. they are destroyed by being coddled and kept away from the real world. they are privileged but when that golden life gets taken away most can not survive in the real world. Most of them are totally crazy anyway and this is just fed on by the barracudas in the way of handlers, publicists, directors, managers. I sometimes think Hollywood should be destroyed and the people in it turned to salt. Okay enough of this rant, time for my coffee.

[OneSixTheAntiVirus]

I think the reason I have survived this long considering what I have done or been through is because I have never let anyone control me. Hollywood they go with what is trendy, if it is cool then it is the fad for the season. These people haven't a clue as to what spirituality and occultism is all about. They are like spoiled little children in candy in a candy shop. Sad.


It is sad but not incompetent. They know what they are doing but they lack ethics. Film makers and directors are revered as great intellectuals within the occult world and are distinguished by their hidden knowledge they display in their films. Knowledge that can only be understood if one knows the secret connections. They understand this information and use it unethically within their work. The way the knowledge is used always determines one's morality.


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[OneSixTheAntiVirus]

How true. How sad. What wonderful insight you have. I love your avatar. My husband's grandfather was from Norway and built models of ships for yacht clubs and banks, and built the ships themselves. I am drawn to ships and the sea. I must have been a captain or a pirate in another life.


Thank you Lady Dunsany. I like your avatar too, very...seductive.
What does 'Go n-eÃ*rÃ* an bóthar leat' mean and what language is it from?

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[Lady Dunsany]

Gaelic. May the road rise up to meet you or some such nonsense. I am Welsh, Italian and Cherokee Indian so I do not know who I am most days. LOL.

[Odin]

can it be taken a step further why Hollywood became this way, influenced by the historians, the archaeologists with their digs that they go on and the mystery or the mysteries that the come back with

King Tut's tomb and the secret messages that they have found inscribed on the walls if you just tell the story boring but though in the magick the mystic and what have you got



Dollars!!!

[arkham]

it's quite easy to see how and why Hollywood got to be so big. When movies first came out the fascination they had, a type of "magic", recording acts and individuals for others to see, one can easily see how this was mesmerizing to people back then and even today. A simple analogy would be the internet now, how people spend hours and hours a day on it.

As far as control, no I disagree that in anyway Hollywood or movies in general exert control over people. It and they do influence people tho, much as books do or anything a person hears, reads or sees does. We are not in isolation, therefore everything, nature included influences us in one direction or another.

Now a question?

Are movies and the internet making people more weak minded, lethargic, obese, etc...?

[Lady Dunsany]

I think it does make one lethargic. I have a friend that literally lives on the Internet, and has actually missed out on socializing with his friends, etc. You have to take a break in my case I try to stay away from other forums as much as possible and make sure I actually have a life. We need a happy medium.

[S33k3R]

Interesting topic...I remember getting remarkably stoned one night and watching a really bad 1980 "B" action film. I remember thinking..."who in their right minds would find this entertaining, I'm not in my right mind I find it ridiculous"

This got me to thinking, and I ended up with pretty much the same sentiment as the opening post, control, manipulation of the masses, cheesy moral stories wrapped in explosions, car chases, gunfights and a blond bimbo with a bad perm.

I then had another joint and thought a little more.

I don't think that these Hollywood types/entertainers are some all powerful and manipulative crowd manipulating and controlling society and its mindset...its the other way around. We are actually dictating to them what we want to see...we just don't know it.

Their true art is to pick up on cultural and societal tends that "the masses", (that's us), display...wrap it up in a story and give it back in a nicely digestible format. They are the watchers of society, what they do reflects us. That's why we are so obsessed with them...because we are actually obsessed with ourselves. In them, we see ourselves. That is their magic.

A few cases in Cases in Point, (for which I know I will get flamed;) )...who's the biggest film star nowadays?...Will Smith...Whose the next President of the USA?...connection? Maybe?...but the world is sick of conservative old white men.

2 much anticipated hollywood mainstream films are "Slumdog Millionair" and "Other end of the line"...both deal with India and the relationship between India and the west. Why not? India is big now, and making itself more and more open to the west...this is the Wests response. Culturally, the west and India have more in common than the West and China...we fear China, but embrace India. Hollywood has noticed.

Britney spears...now there is a very clever artist, I've often wondered...what if the whole thing is staged? The fall from innocent grace, the insanity...then she's back and looking ridiculously good again? These days, I think People respond to famous people with issues and problems more than the squeeky clean ones...you mother probably likes George Cloony and Brad Pitt...we like Heath Ledger and Amy Winehouse...people that are strange...like us.

They have even noticed the upcoming resurgence of occult interest in society...buffy, charmed and a plethora of other really, really bad related shows.

Tell you what...if Hollywood truly is a reflection of society...:eek:

[arkham]

in my opinion stars and musicians these days are like little attention seekers. Like the little kid that cries and whines until someone gives them the "what's wrong honey?" The problem, that society feeds this, gobbles it up and wants more, more, more.


I can actually see one day what some movies say about the return to gladiator death fights and executions on pay per view. You see by just what I mentioned this has been around in one form or another for all time, ie roman gladiators.

[Logxi]

This is discussed in an episode of the Esoteric Science Roundtable: Anna Nicole, Britney & MInd Control (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-891321698051955222&hl=en) Very interesting, I highly recommend it.

But personally, it think there's no way to generalize 'Hollywood', let alone its effect on society. I am sure that there are indeed people out there making high budget movies, attempting to control people through them. I am also sure that there are very normal, down-to-earth if you will filmmakers that just do what they do because they want to. Some movies are just good movies, like for example 'Requiem for a Dream'. It's a masterpiece of visual storytelling.

On the other hand, I think mass media are used by some to very deliberately control people: when people see movies in which the characters that are supposed to have some kind of appeal do certain things, people associate those things with a good feeling. Captain America, the comic book super hero, was invented to promote this patriotic feeling in America, just like the Pledge of Allegiance. Just like '24'. Jack Bauer and all the other people that work to save the day are symbols. I firmly believe that all that meant as a form of religion, not in the sense of worship but the original meaning of the word: religion means union. I believe that the U.S. government is controlling their people through something they have turned out to relate to. I'm not a conspiracy theory buff, but it makes sense.

I think that if 'The Matrix' didn't feature the war that mankind fights against machines in union, it would have never gotten so big. It makes people see themselves as part of one side, opposing something else. Great stuff for a government trying to shepherd people into thinking whatever.

I also think that there some enlightened directors in Hollywood who try enlighten others, through this medium. The Wachowski brothers were trying to tell the world something through 'The Matrix', plus they're avid storytellers.

Aside from this possible higher influence (which I doubt anyone in Hollywood is aware of), of course movies are trying to turn us all into the same creatures, but as S33K3R said, they only reflect us. People and Hollywood are passing the ball of society to each other.