Terrible Past-lives and lessons

[angeress]

Past Forward Rule: The Terrible Truth About How Karma Works (http://www.healpastlives.com/future/rule/rukarma.htm)

This link is controversial, and I know many might of been aware of this link.
A sign of a extremely hard previous life is Scorpio in Saturn and if anyone has this in their birth-chart it shows that they have suffered in a previous existance.
I apparent am a student of past-life as well, and I remember making a thread on all these murderers and criminial like Ted Bundy, Josef Fritzl, Myra Hindley about previous lives and it was deleted. I these type of threads do not get deleted in this Occult forum, because we have to explore everthing in a adult-like manner. Now this is very blunt and it can sound very callous, but it is the laws of karma, a suicide will come back but as a disabled person. The reason is that lifes lesson should be learnt properly, but I happen to be a carer in my off-line life to these people .

[ZeldaFitz]

I don't believe in past lives or karma, it is what was made up to control the masses.

[Dark Wisdom]

Can someone please tell me about my past life a psychic reading perhaps.

[angeress]

Sorry about the link folks, but I will see if I can fish another one out. And Zelda you are right in some respects that reincarnation is a tool to control the masses because the Hindu high castes use this to tell people of lower castes that they are in their caste for bad deeds.
I do believe in re-incarnation.

[angeress]

The Terrible Truth About How Karma Works (http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Mogensen1.html#)

I have enclosed this link because that link in itself has ceased to exist.
Terrible past-lives can colour your karma now. I have heard, now do not take this wrongly that disabled people have been suicides and they are disabled in this life-time for karma to teach them that taking your own life is no good.

In Hinduism, many of the bigoted elements use the caste system for a agenda, and to control the Dalit masses they claim that bad deeds in a past life was the reason that they are toilet cleaners of this life time.:mad:

[angeress]

A astrological sign of a terrible past-life is usually the sign of Scorpio residing in Saturn. Usually a murder victim, a victim of terror or abuse has had this sign in their chart but the best thing is that in this lifetime, that strength is a great help for them.
One woman had a extremely violent husband in this lifetime, and she had a past life regression and found out she had roughly 4 lives with her husband.
One life was that the husband executed her in the Middle East (but after a horrific torture):mad:, the next life was that the woman was a murder victim of the husband,:mad:the next life was the next life was that the husband and wife were married but the husband deserted her for a trivial matter, and most worringly the most alarming life was that this man was a abusive father to the woman.:mad:

[ZeldaFitz]

It is ridiculous to blame what is going on in an astrological chart. i know plenty of people with Saturn in Scorpio and they lived long lives and died peacefully. Do not put too much in Astrology as it will turn you into an emotional cripple. It is not the chart set up it is what you do with the life lessons to be learned. There are no bad signs or bad planets, they are only in a chart to guide not control us.

[Sara D]

Suicides are said to come back, but they don't have to come back as a cripple, most come back to do it all over again. Angeress you live too much in the Dark side of life and need to re valuate the difference in letting your beliefs rule you, it is morbid.

[angeress]

I need to let go of the Dark Side because for the past couple of years I have been surronded by negative sorts, esp via the Internet. I am actually in the process of healing myself.:)
I do think that wonderful lives though is a result of a great karma.:)

[ZeldaFitz]

Yes you need to heal.

[coffeeNiK]

I was born a Christian, and then converted to Hinduism at a young age due to my parents, so I have very conflicted religious views.

More or less, one of the ideas behind hinduism was that you live a finite number of lives. You are to serve a purpose and then your soul can be free or whatnot. However, your deeds (good or evil) will affect your next life.
This theory works with the Balance theory....
You be a criminal now, kill rape and in your next life you are born in extreme pain or are put through suffering of some sort...

[angeress]

Excuse me, no one and I mean no one can really convert to Hinduism. Islam or Christianity maybe but HInduism NEVER. YOu have to be born into it or married into it.
As for pastlives, I do tend to notice that bigotted elements are rightly put into a shell of a person of who they tend to hate, for example a KKK man could be a African in the next life. This is a learning karma but I have heard controversially that disabled people (who are born with their disabilities) were actually suicides.:(

[Vir Sapiens]

I could be very wrong and I'm open to the possibility that I am but, what about the diksha? Isn't that a ceremony of conversion more or less in which one dedicates themselves to a God or Goddess and takes on a new name, symbolically shedding their old name and old life for a Hindu life and a Hindu name? I think the confusion comes into play with the caste system but, historically India has been absorbing people into its culture and belief for years. For example the Kushan emperor, Kadphasis II, became a devotee of Siva going so far as to have Siva put on his coins and , in historical records, had himself mentioned as a devotee of Siva. Currently there are Bactrian Greeks, Huns, Kushan and the Sakas all mixed into the Indian genetic lineage but, they are indistinguishable as separate groups because they assimilated right down to the religion. Even the Mahabharata says that it is not a mans birth or learning that makes him a member of a caste but, his conduct. I think it is very possible to actually convert and even if caste bound Hindus would not recognize you the test of a religion is not in whether you are accepted into a community but, whether or not it fulfills you as a person and whether the tenets and beliefs of that religion are a part of your daily life.

On the topic of past lives I have nothing to say since I never believed in them. It always seemed to me that past lives and the concept of reincarnation is more or less torture. After one life time here who would want to come back? I'd rather move on. I think most past lives can be attributed to genetic memory or the collective unconscious/Akashic Record however one wants to paint it.

[coffeeNiK]

Vir Sapiens is actually right angeress. It was a Diksha Initiation/Ceremony. While what you said is true about being born into the religion, there are levels/sects that can be passed onto an individual so long as the individual agrees to follow the practices that was instructed by the initiating guru...
Vir Sapiens said it best though...

[Vermillion]

I've often wondered if it's not possible to drag some sort of burden with you from one life to the next (because I've noticed some disturbing parallels myself), but I'm still unsure about how karma plays in. I don't think either karma or astrology has all that big of a control over life, certainly not as much as choice.

[Light]

I agree.
You can drag things from your past lives, that can end up being a burden. However, the choises you make in this, is what matters.

[I-S-O-N]

I've often wondered if it's not possible to drag some sort of burden with you from one life to the next (because I've noticed some disturbing parallels myself), but I'm still unsure about how karma plays in. I don't think either karma or astrology has all that big of a control over life, certainly not as much as choice.

I view Karma as something literal and observable in one's own life time. The many choices I made as a kid determined who I became today. This in turn has had an effect on those around me. What determined what choices I made as a kid depended on what choices my parents made before I was born.

Believe it or not and like it or not, humanity is a closed circuit and we are all interconnected. It is sorta like what goes around, comes around, but not exactly. So even if there is no after life, what you were will be dragged upon the others who are born after you die.

This is talking about what one CAN directly observe. The weirder thing is I often get the feeling I'm living in some sort of Ground Hog's day but starring ISON and not Bill Murray.

[tavthe]

I don't take these concepts as the word of the universe. I take a look at them and decide for myself what I believe.sometimes my beliefs are shaped by the things I remember. Parts of them seem to apply while I find others to be total rubbish. Its up to each of us to decide how important these concepts are on an individual scale.