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satanictemple
04-15-2010, 09:30 PM
Hello All,

The main reason I am a theistic Satanist is because of my experience of becoming a theistic Satanist. Let me explain: before choosing my path, I dabbled in a variety of Satanisms, all of which had their good points for sure, but none of which were completely fulfilling. I became aware of Diane Vera's theistic Satanism website a couple years ago, and after months of mental questioning and preparation, decided to dedicate myself to Satan. I've never been the same, and I know that Satan is a real being because I feel him and his power inside me. I am the same person, but my Lord, Satan, now resides in me (as a spiritual being), just as he does in all his worshipers. Our Lord, Satan, is very real, and only experience can prove it.

Hail Satan!

Satanic_Magus
05-11-2010, 08:46 PM
Hey satanictemple,
Reading your post, it seems like I have had a similar way of going about things before coming to Satanism. I was just wondering, when you talk about dedicating yourself to Satan, do you mean like an informal, personal understanding that you have become a satanist? Or do you mean more like a formal blasphemy ritual designed to permanently bind to Satan?

BLZBUBB
05-26-2010, 03:24 AM
Sooooo to dedicate myself to Satan do I also have to become a Jew hating neo-nazi, like these guys? http://www.666blacksun.com/Truth.html
This site is proliferated with this sort of fascist propaganda. If thats what you believe i suppose more power to you, but I'll enjoy my Satanism with a nice warm cup of rationalism.

morningstar
05-26-2010, 07:00 AM
Hello All,

The main reason I am a theistic Satanist is because of my experience of becoming a theistic Satanist. Let me explain: before choosing my path, I dabbled in a variety of Satanisms, all of which had their good points for sure, but none of which were completely fulfilling. I became aware of Diane Vera's theistic Satanism website a couple years ago, and after months of mental questioning and preparation, decided to dedicate myself to Satan. I've never been the same, and I know that Satan is a real being because I feel him and his power inside me. I am the same person, but my Lord, Satan, now resides in me (as a spiritual being), just as he does in all his worshipers. Our Lord, Satan, is very real, and only experience can prove it.

Hail Satan!

I call myself a satanist & yet I don't feel the need to 'worship' Satan as of now & hence I don't. The way I do 'magick' is by actually 'doing something'- taking up challenges, testing myself & being the adversary of all my weaknesses, that is the way I worship Satan.
Of course, I do believe in magick/rituals & in near future I wish to tap into that power. I look at him as my equal or an archetype but I am not a Laveyan satanist. I guess I am more of a spiritual satanist rather than a theistic satanist.
Which rituals do you use? For some reason, ceremonial magick/rituals don't appeal to me. Diane's website is still good though.

morningstar
05-26-2010, 07:02 AM
Sooooo to dedicate myself to Satan do I also have to become a Jew hating neo-nazi, like these guys? http://www.666blacksun.com/Truth.html
This site is proliferated with this sort of fascist propaganda. If thats what you believe i suppose more power to you, but I'll enjoy my Satanism with a nice warm cup of rationalism.

He was referring to this website Theistic Satanism: Diane Vera on today's new kinds of Satanists (http://theisticsatanism.com/)

BLZBUBB
05-27-2010, 10:23 PM
Same website, same people. Know where your information is coming from.

Corbeau de Marais
05-30-2010, 12:10 AM
Same website, same people. Know where your information is coming from.

Or - alternatively - different website, completely different people.

Corbeau de Marais

BLZBUBB
05-30-2010, 04:01 AM
Okay ding-dongs didn't think this was going to have to be necessary but I will spoon feed it to you, go to the joy of Satan home page, click on "Links", go to "Order of the black sun" and wa-lah, you have neo nazi propaganda. Think its' some big misunderstanding, then go to sermons, Click on "high" priest Willard's page, it will be laden with swastikas, not the enlightened type, but the straight up Nazi type. Go next to "High" priest Jake Carlson's ministry, you will find it laden with Anti-Semitic, neo nazi style pandering.
As satanists, we believe in responsibility to the responsible. If you are a Neo Nazi, More power to you, if you are not, and you are genuinely trusting this site, you should be aware of it's ulterior motive.

Corbeau de Marais
05-30-2010, 11:12 AM
Perhaps we can simplify, as required.

For any who might have considered that it has been suggested that Diane Vera's site and the Joy of Satan's site are "the same people", of course they are not.

I would imagine anyone over the (intellectual) age of 18, with any capacity for basic undergrad research, would already be well-enough aware of JoS' neo-nazi proclivities.

Perhaps there is a problem with the way the thread is organised, or people's various communication capacities, but let's clarify.

Diane's theisticsatanism.com site is in no way related to the Joy of Satan.

Corbeau de Marais

morningstar
05-30-2010, 04:55 PM
Okay ding-dongs didn't think this was going to have to be necessary but I will spoon feed it to you, go to the joy of Satan home page, click on "Links", go to "Order of the black sun" and wa-lah, you have neo nazi propaganda. Think its' some big misunderstanding, then go to sermons, Click on "high" priest Willard's page, it will be laden with swastikas, not the enlightened type, but the straight up Nazi type. Go next to "High" priest Jake Carlson's ministry, you will find it laden with Anti-Semitic, neo nazi style pandering.
As satanists, we believe in responsibility to the responsible. If you are a Neo Nazi, More power to you, if you are not, and you are genuinely trusting this site, you should be aware of it's ulterior motive.

If you make a mistake, accept it like a man & move on, doesn't make you small. Those two websites are completely different & Diane openly disagrees with many beliefs of the JOS. Perhaps the confusion arises because they both have some links or some third party links on their websites which connect to some pages hosted at Free Website Hosting – Angelfire free website templates to make your own free website (http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/) but they don't own anything mutually.

Nevermore
08-05-2010, 09:59 PM
I have heard of Diane Vera's aspect of Satanism. As a Satanist I feel that rather than giving into "accepted truths" Satan represents putting all religions to the test.

Please understand that as a comrade of the Left hand path I am not attacking your character, but sometimes this happens to religions or philosophies.

Satan's history is in almost all of the world's great religions. Set, O-Yama, Prosperpine, whatever religion is popular at the time there is always an evil imaginary friend/foe to reward the weak people with the good-guy badge. Read Anton LaVey's book The Devil Notebook, the chapter about good-guy badges. Satan never has called for slave worship, like the god of the Jews, Muslims, and Christians.

I have never had any really spiritual experiences in my life, none from Buddhism, Christianity, Wicca, or Thelema. My conclusion is that sometimes when people are desperate enough in a religion they will see what they want to see. The mind will manifest it if a desire borderlines compulsive.

Rather than the faith-based god fearing Christians and the Karma-fearing Buddhists our religion should be based on testing theories (sometimes even ones that claim to be Satanic) and come to a logical conclusion about them. The methods she uses are self induced trances that will obviously involve seeing images in the mind, since one will be meditating on Satan before a deep trance induced.

Scientists have never completely understood why trance images occur in the brain during dreaming or trances, however no recorded people have emerged from these trances with record-able data or powers able to be evident that what they did in the trance-world actually had an effect on the real world.

If one believes that Satan is a real functioning being then it follows that the fictional god of the Christians, Jews, Muslims exists as well. The only way she dodges it is claiming that during meditation "Father Satan" pleads that he a rather misunderstood fellow.

Leithalia
09-15-2010, 08:35 AM
Sooooo to dedicate myself to Satan do I also have to become a Jew hating neo-nazi, like these guys? http://www.666blacksun.com/Truth.html
This site is proliferated with this sort of fascist propaganda. If thats what you believe i suppose more power to you, but I'll enjoy my Satanism with a nice warm cup of rationalism.

well... tho i personally dislike a broad range of religions..
christians, jews, moslims, laveyans (dislike laveyans most).. etc etc..
i dont think that my love for Lucifer has much to do.. with hating jews..
i dislike those religions becouse they cast such a negative shadow over our kind father... i think its wrong to just becouse you dont want people to pick something.. make it look evil....
my personal experiances with Him show that he is not a "devil" to everyone...

than again... its my opinion and my experiances.. and i am just one person.. ;)

Lord Rahl
10-01-2010, 09:59 PM
jos may be fascists, but most fascists you will find in the abrahamistic religions.The funny thing is that the bible calls god for:
Elohim,Eloah,yahweh,allah, Christians says Yahweh, Jews says Elohim, muslims says allah, and Satanists says Satan who is The monotheist?
The ironi of the abrahmistic religions is that the god of the real hebrews are Baal, who the hyksos identified with Setesh.
I have made studies if some of the prophets in fact worshiped Satan and not allah.If Joseph (he in egypt not jesus stepfather) were Pharao apepi ( greek Apophis), it is said that Apophis worshiped only Seth.The rabbi rewrote the torah when they were in babylon, can it be possible that the israelites who worshiped Baal (meaning The Lord)were Satanists, If Baal is the advesary of yahweh, then the early jews worshiped a God of Darkness, and war.
I believe that Shaytan-Shiva-Baal-Setesh is one and same, and that allah-yahweh-elohim is a false god.

nameless
10-01-2010, 10:33 PM
I call myself a satanist & yet I don't feel the need to 'worship' Satan as of now & hence I don't. The way I do 'magick' is by actually 'doing something'- taking up challenges, testing myself & being the adversary of all my weaknesses, that is the way I worship Satan.
Of course, I do believe in magick/rituals & in near future I wish to tap into that power. I look at him as my equal or an archetype but I am not a Laveyan satanist. I guess I am more of a spiritual satanist rather than a theistic satanist.
Which rituals do you use? For some reason, ceremonial magick/rituals don't appeal to me. Diane's website is still good though.

I agree with this. Satan is a mindset not a being your meant to worship. If such a being were to exist why would he want your worship anyhow? It should be good enough to live for what he represents.

I performed a ritual dedication to Satan just a couple days ago, I feel much more powerful, and I was able to change some things in my life that needed to be changed. and I can already tell this is the start of a new bette rlif efor me. but i dont think i literally harnessed the powers of a godlike being, more so just awoke energies inside me.

Thats what Satan is IMO, a force that dwells within us all.


But I am no expert, so perhaps someday I will get a better understanding. But this is what I see to be most likely thus far.




satanictemple, i am interested though, could you perhaps elaborate more on what you mean? How are you completely sure Satan is what you believe him to be?

nameless
10-02-2010, 12:33 AM
I'm not really explaining myself well, I do believe Satan to be real, but just nothing like the common definition of a ''god''

Apotheodaimon
11-09-2010, 09:46 AM
Personally I don’t see anything wrong with the swastika turning toward destruction being used as well as nazi propaganda in the name of Satan. I think people need to wake up and see what’s actually going on around them. There is an enemy which must be erased.
Personally I'm of the notion that Satan is Ea, Shiva, Ptah, Odin. They are all the same pure energy trans-physical deity.
Satan is simply the only name that truly lumps them all together as they should be.

devakxes
11-09-2010, 06:31 PM
I don't understand why Satan should be linked to neo nazism. Sure, Satan represents Pride. However, Satan to me judges more on an individualistic level than a ''group'' level. I think following ''group'' ideas are exactly what Satan is against... he is all about the individual and raising the individual to superiority.

Seeker72
02-01-2011, 07:08 PM
Perhaps we can simplify, as required.

For any who might have considered that it has been suggested that Diane Vera's site and the Joy of Satan's site are "the same people", of course they are not.

I would imagine anyone over the (intellectual) age of 18, with any capacity for basic undergrad research, would already be well-enough aware of JoS' neo-nazi proclivities.

Perhaps there is a problem with the way the thread is organised, or people's various communication capacities, but let's clarify.

Diane's theisticsatanism.com site is in no way related to the Joy of Satan.

Corbeau de Marais

Diane Vera's website shouldn't be linking to JoS's, in my opinion. I had a look at Joy of Satan last night, and came away howling with laughter. It's so sophomoric and cheesy!

kasumi12
02-19-2011, 10:01 PM
I am bouncing back between Theistic Satanism and Wiccan. I am very confused.