The Weak & The Strong

[Justinfh]

I hear some Satanists say that Satanism is not for the weak. They believe in letting the weak die off. But the thing is everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Also, there is no standard of who’s considered "strong" or "weak", it's all subjective. Even if there was, who are we to decide who’s "weak" and who’s "strong"? So my question is, who do you personally define as a "weakling"?

[Deacan Lionsbane]

Never underestimate people, let alone enemies or friends, this is a mistake made all too often. For some who would be considered 'weak' in one aspect, could be mighty in another.

[grbree]

In my opinion this a very murky subject, mainly because there is no definitive term for strong. There really is only one type of "strong" (meaning no weaknesses) and the best way to acheive this is by becoming "ultimate" master all aspects of everything, not thinking, knowing. If you really wanna know would'nt it be ideal to speak satan and ask it instead of other flawed "weak" (non-ultimate) humans? but this my opinion so.

hope this helped .:)

[devakxes]

There are valid reasons why it isn't for the weak.
For one, Laveyan Satanism which a lot of satanic cults and philosophies sprouted from... is all based on Survival of The Fittest.

Now for the other reasons.
One of them is the concept was already stated, everyone has their own weaknesses and strengths. It is a matter of overcoming those weaknesses that a lot of luciferian/satanic paths are about. This is because the LHP is all about Self-Mastery.

Another reason is that a lot of people have been too far conditioned to really follow the LHP. Conditioning from society has led us to want to follow ''happy go smile at yourself in the mirror'' religions. They have completely lost touch with the dark half of things and so Satanic/Luciferian religions focus on that part... some of their teachings being very focused on self-discipline (Self-Mastery) and that includes mastering the dark aspects of ourselves... including the chaotic and painful aspects that we don't want to conquer.. our fears... our anger and our lust... etc.

If you look at the Order of The Nine Angles... they have practices which focus on running 7 miles in a matter of 30 mins or so. I don't remember the exact time frame.

As with a person with a terminal or chronic illness. These people are indeed weak in one fashion but if they are fighting the illness and rising above it, then they are strong. The Adversary only gives us what we can handle as an obstacle... that we may rise above it. Thus a person with HIV can in one way of thinking... be given a blessing.

You should read Liber Azazel (http://http://www.angelfire.com/rings/blacklotusmonastery/texts/Liber_Azazel.pdf). That speaks about strength and weakness in depth.

[Justinfh]

There are valid reasons why it isn't for the weak.
For one, Laveyan Satanism which a lot of satanic cults and philosophies sprouted from... is all based on Survival of The Fittest.

Now for the other reasons.
One of them is the concept was already stated, everyone has their own weaknesses and strengths. It is a matter of overcoming those weaknesses that a lot of luciferian/satanic paths are about. This is because the LHP is all about Self-Mastery.

Another reason is that a lot of people have been too far conditioned to really follow the LHP. Conditioning from society has led us to want to follow ''happy go smile at yourself in the mirror'' religions. They have completely lost touch with the dark half of things and so Satanic/Luciferian religions focus on that part... some of their teachings being very focused on self-discipline (Self-Mastery) and that includes mastering the dark aspects of ourselves... including the chaotic and painful aspects that we don't want to conquer.. our fears... our anger and our lust... etc.

If you look at the Order of The Nine Angles... they have practices which focus on running 7 miles in a matter of 30 mins or so. I don't remember the exact time frame.

As with a person with a terminal or chronic illness. These people are indeed weak in one fashion but if they are fighting the illness and rising above it, then they are strong. The Adversary only gives us what we can handle as an obstacle... that we may rise above it. Thus a person with HIV can in one way of thinking... be given a blessing.

You should read Liber Azazel (http://http://www.angelfire.com/rings/blacklotusmonastery/texts/Liber_Azazel.pdf). That speaks about strength and weakness in depth.

Well, I'm sure most of these people with these "weaknesses" needed some help to overcome them, so were these people ever "strong"?

[devakxes]

You have the idea of strength mixed up with the concept of perfection, which with a satanist/luciferian does not exist. How can it when perfection means one is deathless and thus incapable of growth?

It would also mean one is beyond duality, perfection being a lie as well as being absolutely flawed... thus they wouldn't have a self - because there is one and All which is the ultimate duality.

[grim789]

Satanism is not IMHO for the weak minded. Satanism is about enjoying life for what it is and enjoying it. Plus it is referred to as the carnal religion because it believe's in giveing credit were credit is due and punishing those who need to be punished..

[thisoldhippy420]

There are valid reasons why it isn't for the weak.
For one, Laveyan Satanism which a lot of satanic cults and philosophies sprouted from... is all based on Survival of The Fittest.

Now for the other reasons.
One of them is the concept was already stated, everyone has their own weaknesses and strengths. It is a matter of overcoming those weaknesses that a lot of luciferian/satanic paths are about. This is because the LHP is all about Self-Mastery.

Another reason is that a lot of people have been too far conditioned to really follow the LHP. Conditioning from society has led us to want to follow ''happy go smile at yourself in the mirror'' religions. They have completely lost touch with the dark half of things and so Satanic/Luciferian religions focus on that part... some of their teachings being very focused on self-discipline (Self-Mastery) and that includes mastering the dark aspects of ourselves... including the chaotic and painful aspects that we don't want to conquer.. our fears... our anger and our lust... etc.

If you look at the Order of The Nine Angles... they have practices which focus on running 7 miles in a matter of 30 mins or so. I don't remember the exact time frame.

As with a person with a terminal or chronic illness. These people are indeed weak in one fashion but if they are fighting the illness and rising above it, then they are strong. The Adversary only gives us what we can handle as an obstacle... that we may rise above it. Thus a person with HIV can in one way of thinking... be given a blessing.

You should read Liber Azazel (http://http://www.angelfire.com/rings/blacklotusmonastery/texts/Liber_Azazel.pdf). That speaks about strength and weakness in depth.

I agree with you! I've always held the opinion that only the strong are willing to rise up to the challenge. Only the strong maintain the eye of the tiger so to speak.

[ArkhamQueen]

the last time men decided who were weak and who were strong caused this the death of about 55 000 000 people
it's a fallacy. a dangerous fallacy.
even more because we don't live in a static model world. everything is dynamic. it is true poverty and bad education are inheritable. it is a statistic fact. so the position to be weak you cannot entirely blame on the 'weak'. but even then strong characters can fight their way out of misery.
then the fact that the former strong can turn out weak. this is described by Thorstein Veblen in his famous work 'The Leisure Class'.

when you consider yourself as strong, you should try to figure out whether this creates any responsibility? When you are strong - aren't you responsible for the weak in a way or the other?

[RÊVE]

A mote that calls itself strong has yet to witness the infinite void that awaits beyond a sparked sentience.

[ArkhamQueen]

even against my deconstructivist world view.. I think this beautiful and true

[devakxes]

Zos Vel Thanatos.

[Cartoon Character]

It is always the weak who support the strong, and we should seek what is advantageous. EVERYTHING in creation is predatory to something and prey to something else. This is how the natural world works, and it's also how the "supernatural" world works. Spirits are also predatory and can be preyed upon as well, and "strength" should not be confused with "force" here.

If a Satanist tells me that their practice is not for the "weak", I would agree with them and inform them that my practice is even less suited for such types. Anything worth doing is not really for the weak, and strength of some sort is required to make powerful choices that result in powerful actions. I don't mean to sound condescending or disrespectful towards Satanists or their chosen path, but it seems to me that there is often so much mention of strength; determination; self-interest; etc. with regard to Satanism, as if to say it is somehow different in these respects than any other legitimate tradition or system.

Satanism advocates enjoying life and making the most of it. So does Daoism. Satanism does not reject the "physical" or material aspects of life in favor of some "spiritual" reward in the afterlife. Neither does Daoism. Satanism favors the individual. Daoism says you must do everything yourself, and favors the individual over the artificial and usually harmful Social Mind. Satanists believe in punishing those who deserve it. Daoists tend to be rather merciless towards those who need punishment, as everything is ultimately a choice on some level. And on, and on, and on.

The point I'm making here is that we shouldn't mistake the forest for the trees. Every path that one chooses to follow requires strength for completion, and this strength is also required for the act of daily living. That is, unless we choose to piss away our personal power. The weak do support the strong, and sometimes that support comes as getting smashed by the strong on their way to achieving their goals. The underlying goal of Daoist practice that most seem to not talk about is to become an apex predator. Not so that one can randomly prey on those who may be weaker, but rather to avoid being preyed upon, and also to prey on other predators if need be. Isn't that the point of human development and evolution in the first place?

[Siaion de Mahorela]

I think it depends on the type of person. If someone is "weak," then they are spoiled, unnecessarily dependant, stupid, and a "moocher." Someone who is "strong" is motivated, self reliant, independant, and intelligent.

In terms of Satanism, the Satanist is encouraged to avoid the weak because doing so will prevent the Satanist's true potential from being held back by the weak.

Of course, this is my own opinion and just what I personally think and how I initially interpretted the subject.

[Justinfh]

What about people who have collected unemployment cheques and/or been on Welfare, but they busy their asses off to get a job and make money, do you consider them weak? I don't, and for a few reasons. For one thing, the economy is weak, so if you loose your job through no fault of your own, then you should be given the chance to find work, and if that means going on welfare for a short time, so be it. Even if being on Welfare makes you a weakling, you'd be surprised how strong a weakling can become if put in the right direction. But of course, it can't be at the expense of those who are strong.

Here's a snippet of an article I 99% agree with.


It is to humanity's benefit that we are capable of helping one another. There are benefits in protecting the weak, the disabled, the ill, and those who have injured themselves through effort such as sport. But there are many who hold that the weak should be allowed to die, or even be oppressed, because their survival is a detriment to the whole. This morality is one very close to the overpowering-state thesis of fascism, or the "community good at all costs" of totalitarian communism of Stalin-era Russia. The logic seems sound, but the result of putting this into action has, in history, without fail created monstrous regimes that have done no good for humanity. Therefore although I agree with the logic, in practice I find it too inhuman and too fraught with risk; the methods of this kind of filtering have always caused disaster, not emancipation from weak humans.

Source (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/equality.html#Liberal)

The one thing I don't agree with is the logic.

I realize that I may seem obsessed with this topic....well...I am. This is the one thing about Satanism I have issues with. But hey, it's not like I have to agree with everything. >__<

[Justinfh]

the meek inherit the earth and sometimes the meek are more dangerous than the ones who think they know ir all.

What in the blue hell does that have to do with this topic?

[Belasko]

What in the blue hell does that have to do with this topic?

Look a little Satanist wanna be. You ain't too bright ARE YOU ASSHOLE?

[Jackal]

And the cocky ones who don't understand themselves let alone others around them...LIKE MEEEE!!!!

[Justinfh]

Look a little Satanist wanna be. You ain't too bright ARE YOU ASSHOLE?

You are absolutely right, I am an asshole.

[Belasko]

Well yeah!

[Justinfh]

Look a little Satanist wanna be. You ain't too bright ARE YOU ASSHOLE?
I never claimed to be a Satanist nor am I a Satanist wanna be you fucking little prick! Although to quote Dennis Leary, "I'm an asshole and I'm proud of it".

[ODIN]

I never claimed to be a Satanist nor am I a Satanist wanna be you fucking little prick! Although to quote Dennis Leary, "I'm an asshole and I'm proud of it". The little prick is gone.