Zero doubt - Knowing - Products

[Jonsy]

Hi readers. I thank you in advance for your possible help

I am involved in some practice for several years. I have no idea how it is called since I sort of started doing it naturaly without any reading on the subject nor discussing it. In this practice in order to complitely make the intended and desired result work I need to 'know' without doubt that it works, as an addition to many other things that I do which are part of the process. And I have been having difficulties to express the knowing, for I know it has no single reason not to work, at this stage, but it is hard to express the knowing and have zero doubt. That is why I ask you if you know of some techniques, or best, some products which would very much help me remove doubt and 'know' what my intellect considers as 'unbelievable' or 'too something to be true'. Perhaps you are aware of some products, even if these be unhealthy, and I am looking for anything that would help me allow to know what I know works but my intellect steps in, and the many various techniques I've tried to use in years don't suffisiently bypass my reason or intellect, for as I wrote, I need to know without doubt. I would use this product only a few very times until it works, for I think that I will need to see the result occuring in order to fully be capable of expressing my 'knowing' with zero doubt for futur workings. And I am aware that I must know in order to see; But that's my challenge, and I ask for your help.
I thank you very much for reading this and maybe helping me.

[Cartoon Character]

Oh boy. This can be a tough walnut to crack, so to speak. When dealing with psychological issues in magick (belief, intuition, etc.) I think it can be more productive to step outside of the "magickal" realm for just a bit. Learning some basic NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) and more mainstream self-hypnosis techniques could be of great value to you here, and there are PLENTY of resources available online and offline. Any hypnotic state is essentially the same thing as a meditative or trance state, so learning how to achieve this on your own might help you to "program" yourself to decrease doubt, while simultaneously strengthening your ability to reach the necessary state for magick to be effective, without all of the "occult" connotations (which can subconsciously impede belief as well.) Most of what I do in terms of preparation, grounding, energy manipulation, projection/reception, achieving gnosis, etc. is actually a re-worked application of techniques I've learned through training Chinese kung fu. So, any method can potentially be a tool for success here, and a positive mindset is a must. You might begin by thinking in terms of increasing confidence rather than decreasing doubt, for example. Also, try to work with influencing things that you almost certainly know to be true. Then, when you find that you were correct, you can attribute the success to your magickal abilities, further increasing your confidence. If you believe that it is, then it IS sort of thing. Also, if you can move your focus from what you "desire" to what you feel you "need" the emotional force behind your will and intent will increase exponentially. Confidence + energy + strong will = favorable results. If the desire is weak, there may not be enough momentum there to really get the true will involved. You may also experiment with tools like sigils in order to lessen the conscious mind's influence on what you're doing. Incidentally, you can "fire" or cast a sigil with the intent of increasing your confidence and belief. Using magick to help develop magick. That can be very effective, as I have used the basic process for different things myself, including augmented astral workings and abilities, better divination, etc. So, magick can help here too, but you'll still have to do some actual work in the "real" or mundane world also. Again, evidence of successful work will automatically build the necessary belief and confidence for more successful work. Check out some basic NLP stuff for trance and confidence boosting along with different self-hypnosis techniques, and start small at first with the magickal application. Let me know how it goes!

[johnuio]

I really know what you are talking about, and I came across it also without training.
* * *
By now you are used to relating to the world in ways most others will die without knowing.
I think we are born with self evidence, meaning that we see things as they are, and we are connected to things in relation.
As we get older we are educated and disciplined away from basic truth.
* * *
So as we (at some point later in our lives, like say in our early twenties) start to recover our more truthful relation to life and the world, it feels like NEW things are possible. And I think, from there, we think or start to think that (with this "Magick") ANYTHING is possible.
And that is not Magick.
Magick to me, and I think I'm right, is being on the edge of possibility, being in time, as Heidegger tried to explain it, really watching things unfolding, where we are part of the unfolding. That is the source of all intuition, and in that place there is room for a kind of whimsy, but you will know when your whimsy is stupid, or rather when it is right.

[Cartoon Character]

I assumed that products meant ethnogens, brainwave entrainment tools, etc. Or something. :)

[Cartoon Character]

Maybe coffee is a product?

[Cartoon Character]

No products in the coffee, huh? I was thinking that might make the occasional day more interesting.

[Cartoon Character]

Irish whisky is a very good product.

[Aradia]

i swear i have to stop coming here before i have had my coffee.

Me too. :rolleyes:

[Cartoon Character]

Do you both need some Irish whisky in your coffee? Or just before coming here?

[Cartoon Character]

I would agree. Methinks before, during and after is the only real fair way to go. I don't know where Jonsy went and I wondered that too...maybe out to get more whisky? Hope so. If this trend continues, I'm bound to end up with too much coffee and not enough...product?

[Cartoon Character]

Being an entertainer myself, I think you should too. Hell, I'll even pay you to do so. A few jigs would be appropriate, then I could play a reel or two for your dancing pleasure. With enough whisky, I may stop showing up too, which would likely give you something to dance about as well. ;)

[Cartoon Character]

It's settled then. I think you should. Feel free to post a link to video evidence here whenever you're done. Ahhh...good ol' liquid spirit. One can do a LOT when overwhelmed, or at least use it as a scapegoat for a lot of things.

[Cartoon Character]

Me too. I believe the original topic was achieving a good meditative state, possibly through the use of products. I've been known to achieve very deep trance states through the use of whisky, so maybe this is actually still on topic and relevant? Bottoms up!

[Light]

The purest way to reach deep medative state are sober.

There are many ways to meditate and he/she first need to know why he/she meditates and go from there.

Yes, so true !!

[Cartoon Character]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend doing it while not sober. Whisky helps for those ummmm..."involuntary" sessions. :) And that is very true about the purpose of ones meditative practice. Without that purpose, it's rather akin to saying "I'm hungry" and when asked what you're hungry for replying with "Food." Meditation for its own sake can be relaxing and rewarding, but like anything else, knowing the "Why" behind your practice will yield the best results.

[Light]

Chaos Magic> Zero doubt-Knowing-Products...was the subject, it seems we've gone off the topic here, just a little bit...;)

Anyway, seems as the mind is still the best tool for Magickal workings.
So, practise, practise and practise. Unfortunately, no easy way around it.

[Cartoon Character]

True enough. ;)

[Light]

I think so..:rolleyes:

[Cartoon Character]

Yeah. Or, are there possibly any products that can be used to expedite and/or deepen the process. At least that is my assumption.

[I-S-O-N]

Me too. I believe the original topic was achieving a good meditative state, possibly through the use of products. I've been known to achieve very deep trance states through the use of whisky, so maybe this is actually still on topic and relevant? Bottoms up!

Dosage?

I found if I had three shots of rum in me and space it out 30 minutes between each drink, I get that euphoric feeling. It also tend to think less and run more on intuition.

But I would not recommend doing this on a regular basis, considering tolerance and all.