Astral Projection?

[Kenaz]

Ok im convinced that my parents house somehow amplfyes my psichic ability. There r many reasons but the man is when i dream about 10% of the time i have what i call wakeing dreams or nightmares. What happens is that i wake up i fell myself wake up and i can move but its like im in a diffrent reality. once i had this happen i woke up and was in a forest i could still see the walls but i also say forest everywhere, this happened when i was ten and i started screamin and cryin and my parents werent happy xD well i have add adhd so they took me to get nural feedback therapy where it corects thh brain waves i guess idk much about it anyways after i took two months of it i stopped dreaming like that well its comeing back. when i have these things happen to me it still scares me i can feel my body and control it but i always see something ontop of my house. a few times in my dreams i would see a light so bright that i cant look into it no matter how hard i try and wake up with the light still there for a few secounds. while another time i was in a newyork subway station and for some reason i needed to get the otherside of the tracks i dnt remember why but i saw the bathroom the one right by my door to my room than i see the subway comin and could feel the wind off it the sound of it as well as the bathroom but i also saw me standing there shacking and the bathroom i was outta body but also in it. and when i was seven i was sittin on the steps than all the sudden i was flying lookin down on everyone my body than got up and helped my buds throw watermillon at passin cars but i also seen it threw my eyes i felt numb so i dnt know i question my sanity daily and the more i study the occult the more weird stuff happens to me. but i cnt stop studying it its my passion. so did i astral project or somethin else?

[Kenaz]

ha i guess from what i just read, when i experience this its called hypnagogia or something its when ur awake but also ur subconscious bombardes u with images.

[dontreally]

ha i guess from what i just read, when i experience this its called hypnagogia or something its when ur awake but also ur subconscious bombardes u with images.

Thats also an indication of a psychosis.

Thats why when meddling in the world of the unconscious, - you risk your very sanity.

[redmonk]

This sounds a lot like psychosis , because it is something very, very hard to do, there are not specific places that enhance our psychic abilities, a lot of people think that in fact they are doing it, but they are not. But even if you could manage to engage an actual Astral projection it does not change the fact that it is still a very dangerous activity, just imagine this , you are in your boat navigating in the ocean , suddenly you decide to scuba dive and you leave your boat there alone, some one could easily steal your boat and leave you there alone in the ocean. The same thing applies to astral projection, someone or something could easily steal your body and use it to what ever it decides to... So things in REAL magic are a lot harder and dangerous than they sound it is extremely hard to succeed in this activity , some people have to dedicate a lifetime to be able to do this.
There are some drugs that induce this state, those drugs were/are used by the Paranomal military section in the pentagon, they manage to use astral projection to try to steal military secrets from other nations since the cold war, but although they can manage to enable this state , they cannot sustain it with drugs and this in time inevitable results in the casualty of the operator.

[Kenaz]

I dnt think i psychotic but i might be lol and the truth i dnt really care all that much because its useless worrying about yourself. and the parnoraml thing in the pentagon ive never heard of such a thing could u possibley send me a message about im interested in learnin a lil about it :D

[Kenaz]

o and i only get these 'wakeing nightmares' at my house always at my home never anywhere else

[Light]

You might have to look at a few things like : what medication are you on (for your add, adhd), have you had a brain scan in the past ( Cat scan, MRI and when, last time ) ,etc... as this sounds neurological...also, maybe having a look at the latest findings with psycotropic drugs, through a medical practisioner, that is involved or is willing to find out more about these things (the latest research)..

What has been found lately, about the brain, has put the medical industry in the spotlight regarding medicating the brain...the more research is done at the moment, the more it is understood that, we are just in the beginning of understanding how the brain works and what it is capable of, it is simply amazing...
Also, it's been discovered that some psycotropic drugs have a correlation with patients developing psychosis later, after long term use...

So it seems at the moment, the medical industry has been medicating an organ, that they know almost nothing about, so care should be taken, who treats you and what they know, are they on the top, in their field, etc...

[Kenaz]

I refuse to take any meds so ive never taken any other than asprin or sleep aids the generic kind like pm's

[Light]

I refuse to take any meds so ive never taken any other than asprin or sleep aids the generic kind like pm's

So good to hear , so it would not be drugs then, that interfere with your natural state.

Do you meditate? or do yoga?

I just wonder if more grounding, would help..as having add or adhd is quite a non grounded state. So maybe these things could help..Are you more unsettled at your parents place or do you let go and are more settled there.
Maybe these could be some clues to why it's happening.
I doubt it has anything to do with the occult studies, as you said it has happened when you where young.
Doing physical excersise could help as well, as then your body will be so tired when falling a sleep that it might stay in a deeper sleep.
We dream 5 times during the night on avarage , most of the time we are only aware when we wake of one of these dream states and at times not even that.
Also, when dreaming your brain is in a lighter sleep state, so it might be that you at times are waking almost up , being aware of things around you , but still dreaming as well.
This is not uncommon , but you might need help from a sleep disorder unit, as they can work out what's going on when you are a sleep, the brain patterns, etc..

Also, what Isabeau suggested, might be the first thing you might want to try..

[Kenaz]

I dont meditate often my mind always wanders lol always on the go and it sucks, thats also for grounding i dnt do it often because i get off of track and stuffs and i dnt know, how does one control his thoughts when they have add naturally? i need help of that when i do meditate its usally for an half hour or so. how does one control his thoughts when there always goin?

at home is home im almost always either strung out or relaxed bout 50 50 anywhere.

and the sun thing i dnt quite get it.

[Kenaz]

I dont understand the vidoe because he said pretty much we cant control our selves which i dnt beleave in

[Light]

Take baby steps with meditation. Don't take too much preassure ,as that in itself might get your mind wondering , try and let go.
It will take practise and it will be hard . Your brain is wired in a certain way and can be re-wired. It takes a lot of work and determination , but can be done.
As they say, it is one of the hardest things a person will do , if this is what you will choose to try and do.
Re-Meditation 20 min per session a few times a day is a good start. Things like yoga and being mindful of everything you physically do on a daily basis. Like how does the water feel when washing my hands, how does the air smell when stepping out, mindful breathing, etc...It would have to be continous everyday and it's hard in the beginning ,as your mind will wonder off...However, accepting that it does , without getting frustrated with your self and continuing the mindfulness work will eventually get easier. When this has been accomplished somewhat , next will be the internal work on the emotional level , where you are an observer of yourself with feeling when they come and what is underneath them, etc)...
This would be a start, in trying to become more grounded in yourself...

[Kenaz]

Ok ill try it thank you for the help xD

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very interesting. you are either a natural or verging on some heavy duty ****. haha perhaps both. sometimes i wish i could do that, the closest I get are acid flash backs (which I actually hate by the way). well and shamanic ecstasy but in no way can I perform it as vividly as you described, not yet at least. all joking aside be careful, psychosis is the real deal I've seen it. if i were you I would go for a sleep study, these are classic symptoms of a sleep abnormality. I have had some strange experiences that went beyond normal dreams, but nothing quite like this. please don't get high I think perhaps you are not the type who should do it, and neither am I actually (for different reasons).

oh for basic meditating, I was a pretty slow learner for that, and what really helped me was focusing more on not moving and the body. at first I had trouble concentrating on breathing and not thinking. inducing a deep feeling of relaxation in the body is easier, at least for me, and it got my feet on the ground for other things. try the middle pillar or a grounding visualization exercise.

[Dajai]

Diagnosis of psychotic or manic states is highly irresponsible within the conditions of posts read on the internet. I would disregard such words unless you are concerned; in which case I would advise that you seek medical assistance.

Now that's out of the way, I'll address the points raised.

They could be incredibly vivid dreams. The conditions under which you experienced these phenomena would need to be assessed alongside the reality of the situation.

The main point is whether a physical, geographic location can enhance occult abilities. I would say yes but that it depends on the location. There are two factors that spring to mind here.

Firstly: Familiarity. A sense of safety and protection gleaned from such a location is obviously going to be of great benefit during any magickal pursuit. In this case, the parental home becomes almost like a psychic comfort blanket.

Secondly: Environmental frequencies. High levels of low frequencies do seem to have an effect on the brain and how it perceives reality. There are physical locations with such properties which could contribute to curious occult type phenomena.

[^AnimositisominA^]

I would first need the coordinates of the house to be of any assistance. That's an old thread. An update would be nice.

[Spencer455446]

are you sure you weren't just dreaming lucidly no as in control but feeling awake and asleep at te same time? also do you write down your accounts of such dreams after you have them in a jurnol or log?

[Kenaz]

Sorry i have not written on the forum for a while, been trying to get my life in order, when i have these dream states or whatever they are i am awake and asleep im in a dream but i move around and see the walls of my room and house, if looked back and it mostly happens in my mothers house, its when its most powerful. Sometimes i get them now but i mostly see 'reality' not this dream state, my last one was in early Jan and i was sleeping on the floor at a freinds house, when i woke up and was still in the dream, i could see the tv was on but it was also off.......than i heard my freinds voice behind a chair, well i fallowed it and behind the chair was i guess you could say a hole more like nothingness pitch black and i heard my name again a lil distorted like it was underwater but i could still hear it...... and i felt cold but hot at the same time like in the dream i was hot but in real life im cold, i always get these feeling when im 'tripping balls'

[Kenaz]

Oh and as for getting high, ive been recently smoking weed on occasion, and when i do my toes twitch :P and i feel like im underwater its rather nice :)

[Daisy]

Ok im convinced that my parents house somehow amplfyes my psichic ability. There r many reasons but the man is when i dream about 10% of the time i have what i call wakeing dreams or nightmares. What happens is that i wake up i fell myself wake up and i can move but its like im in a diffrent reality. once i had this happen i woke up and was in a forest i could still see the walls but i also say forest everywhere, this happened when i was ten and i started screamin and cryin and my parents werent happy xD well i have add adhd so they took me to get nural feedback therapy where it corects thh brain waves i guess idk much about it anyways after i took two months of it i stopped dreaming like that well its comeing back. when i have these things happen to me it still scares me i can feel my body and control it but i always see something ontop of my house. a few times in my dreams i would see a light so bright that i cant look into it no matter how hard i try and wake up with the light still there for a few secounds. while another time i was in a newyork subway station and for some reason i needed to get the otherside of the tracks i dnt remember why but i saw the bathroom the one right by my door to my room than i see the subway comin and could feel the wind off it the sound of it as well as the bathroom but i also saw me standing there shacking and the bathroom i was outta body but also in it. and when i was seven i was sittin on the steps than all the sudden i was flying lookin down on everyone my body than got up and helped my buds throw watermillon at passin cars but i also seen it threw my eyes i felt numb so i dnt know i question my sanity daily and the more i study the occult the more weird stuff happens to me. but i cnt stop studying it its my passion. so did i astral project or somethin else?

I can see this is a really old (ish) but still active thread, and I admit, I got a little "eeked" at the term 'psychotic' to describe this experience.

Primarily because this is how my path started as a teen. If I were to hazard a guess, you're a natural traveller. I don't find out of body experiences in the dream-state at all heavy or unusual, but then again; they started at 14 for me and I've got a couple more decades on my shoulders than that now. It comes and goes in 'waves' for me more based on time itself than location or experience.

It sounds like a combination 'leak' between Astral travel and a vivid/lucid dream-state - either a drift from travelling to the dream (aka re-entering your subconcious mind without realizing it) or vice versa. Some people will argue that the twoo are synonymous, and it simply depends on the location/level/vibrational field in the astral you're in at the time.

The forest is a sort of imagery I run into myself, and with a couple other natural travellers I've spoken to (seeing the forest in the dream, opening your eyes, seeing the forest in your room. Sometimes many trees with only trunks, sometimes the shadows of leaves spattered across every surface, as if light is diffusing from every angle, but trees tend to be involved). People who train to Astral Travel tend to have an archetypical set of imagery that fits what they read to learn (circular tunnels, geometric imagery, etc., though naturals will also run into that themselves.)

The care I'd take in these experiences is sleepwalking. Try not to use real doors to leave buildings :)

I had even discussed these with a psychiatrist (Jeungian) - the decision we reached was regardless of their origin or their meaning, the experiences can and do exist and are valid *experiences* - though they may not fit one definition (magic/astral) or another (psychotic hallucination/auto hallucination).

I would suggest glancing at the Shamanic path as you do your research.

To avoid them, do not sleep on your back. (This doesn't always work, but will work 90% of the time). Do not go to bed exhausted, but tired. Exhausted, the mind is awake, and though some people reach OOBE's through directed meditation, I'm a little convinced that 'unfocused thought' (which is thinking on no one thing in particular by accident) has a bit of the same oomph behind it as guiding yourself to 'not focus on any one thing that comes to you'. ;)

Lucky that you have the internet. I spent a lot of years terrified. Good luck to you.