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aaron556
10-26-2011, 05:36 PM
What do you think of Astral initiations that groups like the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn perform?


Do they even work?

Jackal
10-26-2011, 05:41 PM
Why wouldn't they work?
Infact, I would be asking, wouldn't they work better?

aaron556
10-26-2011, 06:17 PM
Someone is performing the rituals on behalf of you that's why I ask.

Belasko
10-26-2011, 07:33 PM
What the ****? You have to perform the initiation no one does it for you. ****! Remember if the order is legitimate. I was the head of the OTO in my country and we had students do astral initiations on their own.

aaron556
10-26-2011, 08:04 PM
no they are not you have it all wrong you do the bloody rituals. i have done many a few with the golden dawn and i assure you the gods fill the room up to the point one can not breathe. i have done three day initiations in the astral. where in the bloody hell do you get your information? have you done an astral initiation with the Golden dawn?

I gathered this from the GD forums, the Admins there said that they don't consider AI to be valid because it's done for you.

That plus these orders that do AI's don't give CLEAR information as to what an AI is.