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Lothfavnir
01-10-2012, 02:31 PM
I have been in situations where I needed to point out this obvious fact. After I did this, the things I have encountered have subsided. Strong things fall for this simple spell if you have the right mindset. My experience is that this spell requires very much work. Physical work that is imprinted in your mind. Block everything connected to clairvoyance, spells or rituals. Also, some variant of this spell involves something about work, live and sleep. If you are intuitive you will find the exact words and thoughts you need to go through your mind once you do this spell. Anybody got similar experiences?

Sometimes when I go to sleep I can see the darkness as manifesting into a dark mass that is just hovering in the space where there is not supposed to be anything. This spell has removed it. That is why I have this addition to the spell about honest physical work. Because this seems like a spell that blocks many things. If there is black magic involved, I add that the blood of the innocents will get justice to those who trespass. I feel it is a very white spell, and though meditation it can be empowered even more. I'm born into a special sign, so perhaps that's why it works so well for me?

Lothfavnir
01-10-2012, 07:48 PM
The name says it all. If you are at a place where haunted things are bothering you or stuff it should be enough to say "This world is meant for the living". That should put a stop to most stuff. At least that is my experience.

alyssa
01-10-2012, 10:48 PM
"The world is meant for the living" Word??? Wow, I am so humbled by your deep wisdom, but you're not keeping it real and that is a federal offense and I must charge you with extreme ridicule for such offense. Seriously? "The world is meant for the living"? Who the hell are you? What did you do to contribure to its creation? So shut up and go watch "Supernatural" or something, you are not unique or special, not even on the interenet and nothing will change that. Learn to live with it, own it and forget it.

alyssa
01-11-2012, 12:37 PM
No problem. The crap these people come up with just blows my mind and not in a good way, lol.

Dajai
01-11-2012, 10:47 PM
I'm not sure such a harsh response was required. Though I might consider that because I am in possession of an earthly body, I am more important than those without - or at least have more say.

Though I'm equally open minded and undecided about spiritual matters - and hope to always be so; I never want to be of such a mind where I say such is right or wrong or that there is a definitive reason behind anything. I'm just not that kind of person. Grey areas and uncertainty are much more interesting. But this is just me and I don't want to tread on any toes with regard to belief. Everyone has a right to believe as they desire and for as long as they wish.

What I will say, however, is that I have been to places where it was clear that a simple request would not bring about peace. Call it intuition but one is instantly aware that no matter what you might desire, whatever it is, requires a lot more than believing that "This world is" just "for the living" - and therefore you have to question on several levels: Scientific, geological, personal, spiritual, etc.

However, whilst disbelief is a rather potent weapon, one really has to question the necessity for such an operation in the first place. I mean, why would I purposefully disrupt my blissful ignorance? Maybe the detection or experience of such matters is truly an external phenomena or maybe these experiences serve to highlight internal contradiction.

What I do know is that imagination is a powerful thing so the reality of such experiences cannot be denied. Such is stranger still when one experiences group based phenomena - or a similar effect taking place over time to a number of different people who have seemingly shared the same space.

We do know that certain low ambient frequencies will increase the chances of experiencing a sense of not being alone or even bringing about the sight of figures or visual distortions due to the physical vibration of the eye. Though this doesn't account for places that once seemed neutral yet were somehow changed by magickal ritual. That is an odd phenomena I cannot explain without using spiritual language or theories and therefore such explanation becomes somewhat redundant, on a personal level.

There are so many theories and I would like to believe all and none of them.

I'll finish with a quote by Lon Milo Duquette, as he was mentioned in another thread I read a few minutes ago, "It's all in your head; You just have no idea how big your head is".

That seems to sum up my current perception nicely.

alyssa
01-11-2012, 11:04 PM
Oh for god's sake, this is not about ignorance or disbelief, it is not about one-upping each other in our knowledge. So no need to quote Duquette, he'd hate how his quote was totally wasted and misused in the context. If I have to say why the response was so harsh, well I have noticed in my rather in depth studies of human nature that sometimes tact and acceptance does not work in certain circles and neither is being pretentious with your opinions.

Dajai
01-12-2012, 12:10 AM
Oh for god's sake, this is not about ignorance or disbelief, it is not about one-upping each other in our knowledge. So no need to quote Duquette, he'd hate how his quote was totally wasted and misused in the context. If I have to say why the response was so harsh, well I have noticed in my rather in depth studies of human nature that sometimes tact and acceptance does not work in certain circles and neither is being pretentious with your opinions.

I apologise. My intent was to provide a number of viewpoints only. The OP seemed so passive and not deserving of such a harsh reaction - seeing as little harm was being done in the first place. I won't judge whether this was deserved or not, however - that's for the OP to decide.

I should possibly quantify that the ignorance I was talking about is my own and the disbelief was a parallel to the suggestion that this world is only for the living - in terms of occult effectiveness. In other words, I was supporting comments made against the OP.

The quote felt right because it reminds me that just because I find some things difficult to believe it doesn't mean they are not part of a reality.

I will agree that sometimes people do need a harsh response but very rarely when they are so passive to begin with. And if such a thing is so benign, it really doesn't warrant the effort.

Again, I am sorry if my post came across as opinionated or an attempt to prove myself in some way. I just felt a need for balancing the argument and exploring a few reasons. Nothing personal was intended in any way.

alyssa
01-12-2012, 03:34 AM
Dude, it's cool and I know what you were trying to say. This is how I see it, if the OP cannot handle the heat he/she should not be here, if they cannot defend what they believe in then they shouldn't express it, 'tis all.

Dajai
01-13-2012, 02:36 AM
Dude, it's cool and I know what you were trying to say. This is how I see it, if the OP cannot handle the heat he/she should not be here, if they cannot defend what they believe in then they shouldn't express it, 'tis all.

It's good to find both aggression and grace in an individual. That's quite a deadly combination.

Maybe there is place for such an approach if one feels a need to test the stuff of another. Maybe I'm just not in touch with that urgency - or all that bothered what people choose to promote. I also see that I was vague in half mentioning a couple of personal experiences that are difficult to rationally explain. I think that encountering such would require more than a catchphrase - at least it did at the time - even though disbelief has served me well enough in the past.

I could be totally misreading the OP, of course, but if I am to voice an opinion, I guess I don't really understand the necessity of this thread other than being an interesting point of consideration. Then it is like so many points of belief - if you air such on the internet then you will attract scrutiny. And that is fair.

Lothfavnir
01-14-2012, 12:10 AM
Well, I was not particularly impressed with your answers. So, I have to agree there are different places for different people. I see no point in engaging any further.

Nual123
01-14-2012, 09:12 AM
none of the above makes any sense at all. Lothfavnir, if you believe you are being haunted go buy some white sage, sometimes a sentence like "the world is meant for the living" can work "or give into the light" is another one. But dont be afraid of spirits we dont know what truly happens after death, no one does.

All others in thread, sitting on the fence about everything would be a curse for me, the reason I practice magick and study the occult is to find spiritual truth. Whats happens if this is actually happening and the haunting is real are you going to refuse this at face value. Whether or not it is makes no difference, helping someone deal with this situation helps them. Feeding our own egos does not.

alyssa
01-15-2012, 01:51 AM
Scrutiny does not bother me in the slightest, lol.
If one starts a stupid topic on the internet they need to expect varied responses, so to speak.
If one does have a problem with haunting there are better ways to convey this than how the OP presented it, I'd be more than happy to offer perspective or advice when needed, but I will not go "that ish is deep like woah" if one presents it in such a arrogant and ignorant way.