Some visualisation problem

[bakeneko]

Well, while I do not see myself as a absolute beginner anymore, this is actually a beginner question (God bless the paradox lol).

I currently experience again the problems I have with visualisation.
Let me explain it with a example: This evening I remembered the school yard in my elementary school (the trigger was a funny scar I got at left pointer finger). So I tried to remember all I can - just for fun. In the end I got all the important features down. I could even draw a map etc. I know what was there...intellectually.
When I try to visualize it with all possible senses I can somehow smell, hear and feel. But the actual seeing is for some reason stuck at a intellectual level (the other senses a bit too, but they still feel more natural). I know what is there - at other occasions I can even sense the presence of "things". But it never is really a "seeing" in the sense I see the physical world.

Any ideas?

[Y Ddraig Goch]

maybe the school yard is too complex to visualize... try simple things at first.. as your skill improves move on to more complex things.. you are starting to build the house from the roof down... instead from the base up.

[bakeneko]

Well, it was just a recent example. I will try with very very easy forms again, but in the past it did not make much difference. Will still keep trying though.

It is a real problem for me. Maybe I put to mark too high, I am not sure.
I always get the information, it should be similar to the "real deal", just it never is for me.

As for the complexity of the school yard: I get the picture in some way... but it feels very "heady" and intellectual, and not like a "real picture". I could make drawings of it though - I sometimes draw simply from memory with all the little details; so I always feel this problem as some kind of strange blocking in my head :/

[Odin]

When was the last time you did the visualization of any kind

It seems that when we take a break from the practices that we are attuned to and I don't mean a day or week but for a length of time longer than this we tend to lose or weaken the connection that we built up in the practices that we do.

for years I was meditating for long periods of time the energy would rise rather quickly
it seemed almost instantly and for some personal reasons and scheduling.

When the time came to begin and pick up my studies I thought I would pick up where I left off and the energies would be at the same level where I left off and became frustrated that they were not, and felt like I was at the beginning starting all over which I was.

Start at the beginning and don't put to much energy or pressure on yourself and let it happen don't make it happen,you might want to begin with the exercise of the PSI balls and move on from there.

I hope this happens

[redhand]

One thing, many try to hard to visualise and want it to be like a movie. This just complicates things. While it is possible to do this, it is not necessary. Mostly everyone here daydreams from time to time or imagines things they want or fantasize about,..well that's the key right there! Imagine it and in your mind know that it's there! Don't let yourself get caught up in trying to force an image to be there because the more you try to force it the further away it will get from your grasp. Relax!LOL

A good little exercise is to pick up some natural objects during the day like rocks sticks and such, then study them, and close your eyes and see the object and notice details about it, then open your eyes and check your results.

I'm sure most know of the card game concentration this is another good way to build up your skills also.

[Odin]

I do that with the TV look at the picture and turn the TV off and see how long you can see visualize the picture


Redhand is right we try to hard to do something we fight ourselves with something that really s natural

[xervans]

from my knowledge, I would guess that most likley your problem is (or was) because of this small reference:


just for fun

This may be a personal thing for me, but I find when I'm doing something for recreational purposes or for no particular reason they're more difficult to obtain results from. These exercises that you speak of serve no purpose other than... exercising. Perhaps something more meaningful or something with a purpose would solve this problem. Worth an attempt :)
hope I helped

[bakeneko]

Thanks all for the input. I am kinda buried in work for university at the moment and want to test some things out. So I will answer later in detail.

[Harlock]

Thanks all for the input. I am kinda buried in work for university at the moment and want to test some things out. So I will answer later in detail.

take my advice from a fellow college student, get the college work done first, and spiritual stuff done later...because you will spend hours messing with your techniques and lose track of your time.

[bakeneko]

@Harlock: I know...but it keeps me drawing back every time...can't escape the occult. It is around me very day anyway =_=

@Odin: Well, yeah...I need some more directed practice again it seems...besides the things I do already. Still, it seems it never was significantly better. Recently I got many other things in my head additionally, so it got a bit worse.

@redhand: Thanks a lot. Well, i will not try to press it.
Currently I go again with easy objects and rune images. Results are mixed. When I actually get something like a "real picture" my mind unusually interferes and changes something about it. For instance I got visualizing the Algiz rune in one piece and like a "real" picture...but it suddenly was made out of barbed wire and some red substance (I don't want speculate what it supposedly was). Really strange...
From the aspect of getting things to work, forming a mental picture was already enough, but as I want work more with my "astral workplace" again I look for some more immersion.

[Harlock]

i know believe me, but put it this way get college work done get good job equals in lots of books