[Servier] Aranor

[orca2313]

Me and my best friend are intent on making a servitor that can provide the resolve to do actions. Lets take me for example, i am mildly over weight(in fact i'm not even really classified as over weight in the scientific sense) and so i want to loose around 10-20 lbs. The problem is that I cannot stop my self from eating non-diet food. So I intend to use Aranor to keep me from eating sugary foods. Its as simple as that. We have chosen him to be a samurai in golden armor, because the samurai are notably loyal, and commit suicide if the shame themselves. I believe this mentalilty is good in a servitor(not so much in a familiar though) because if it harms anyone, by its own nature it will die(for lack of a better term). He will be able to replicate, but this will obviously be kept in check. When he is finished I shall give him to you all :D.

[isis]

i dont know much in this but good luck

[orca2313]

Thank you Isis.

[isis]

welcome i have not gotten that fare in my path yet but i try to wish those good luck in their progress... lol

[Lady Dunsany]

I will accept anything at this point, mine is wanting a forty hour work week.

[Kouya]

It probably depends more on you than the servitor... its along the lines that should even a deity rouse itself to help you, if you do not have the capacity for such, it will not work or work well at all.

[Gazeeboh]

If this is one of your first servitors I suggest not implementing suicide in its vibrational matrix. This might rub off in the wrong way into the surrounding etheric fields.

[orca2313]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is an 'etheric field'?

[SWM]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is an 'etheric field'?

something someone who is creating a servitor should know.

"Scientifically" losing 10-20 lbs in a short or less-than-long-term amount of time is unhealthy for the extream. If you're going to eliminate sugar, the servitor could alter your body chemistry so that it can't process sugar. This would render your body to basically die. Sugar is the most simple way our body uses energy.

tasty sugar snack = simple sugar

whole wheat healthy bread = complex carbohydrate.


process in which both are processed:

tasty sugar snack = instant energy, if not used stored as fat to be used later.

whole wheat healthy bread = complex carbs. broken down to simple sugar, used more efficiently, if not used stored as fat.



This process is over simplified to the brink of face palms. I highly suggest getting some self control before you start creating magical nonsense that could invariably kill you. Self control is not only used in the non magical world, but the magical world as well. If you can't condition yourself to eat healthy, I sincerely doubt you can condition yourself to create a thoughtform. Desise or no.

[orca2313]

"Scientifically" losing 10-20 lbs in a short or less-than-long-term amount of time is unhealthy for the extream. If you're going to eliminate sugar, the servitor could alter your body chemistry so that it can't process sugar. This would render your body to basically die. Sugar is the most simple way our body uses energy.

tasty sugar snack = simple sugar

whole wheat healthy bread = complex carbohydrate.


process in which both are processed:

tasty sugar snack = instant energy, if not used stored as fat to be used later.

whole wheat healthy bread = complex carbs. broken down to simple sugar, used more efficiently, if not used stored as fat.



This process is over simplified to the brink of face palms. I highly suggest getting some self control before you start creating magical nonsense that could invariably kill you. Self control is not only used in the non magical world, but the magical world as well. If you can't condition yourself to eat healthy, I sincerely doubt you can condition yourself to create a thoughtform. Desise or no.

Umm, I'm sorry if this sounds slightly rude, but how was that in any way something you should talk to me about? First off, I understand my body's chemistry. I was using the term sugar as a broad term to describe candy and other sweets, I know that sugars are what life uses for energy, that's obvious. I don't need a health lesson.
On the subject of whether I am mentally strong enough to create a thoughtform, your tone seems to imply that I am in someway weak, or stupid. It really is none of your business whether I can, or can't make a thought form. Constructive criticism i can take, but personal insults upon my character is mean, and childish. If have somehow misinterpreted your meaning then I am truly sorry for what I just said, but other wise, I would like you to keep rude comments about me to yourself.

[SWM]

I implied that if you can't discipline yourself to eat healthy, I don't see how you can create a thought form. I'm healthy because of discipline, and I'm a magician because I'm mentally disciplined.

I was insinuating that both share the same chord: Discipline. A servitor to fix an eating fix is like crash diets or a really expensive home gym that never gets used. They're all products that end up hindering your self betterment.

Instead of creating a servitor, I would test myself to overcome all odds and become healthy with proper diet and willpower. It seems like a cop out to use magic.

A personal philosophy that I think every magician should employ is: if one can do it without magic and with simplicity, then that should be the better path.

I.e. : Mowing the lawn, fixing a relationship, dieting.

Normal people make all of these things work every day. Why should you turn to your special power? Because its there? No. Magic is used for self betterment of the spirit and mind. getting money and lust, power ext is a form of lesser magic to me, because it symbolizes cheating. Essentially I am calling you a cheater for using a magical diet.

And I was rude for a reason, not sorry about that. It was a sign that I disapprove of this venture.

[orca2313]

Well, it's obvious that we have different ideas of what magic should be used for. I understand your opinion and respect it, but I will go my own way. I see magic as a powerful tool that I can use to my advantage, just like everything else. I hope there will be no enmity between us over this issue.

[Lady Dunsany]

We as magickians try to do what is best. We drink coffee, eat a little meat whatever. Before initiation we must give up all pleasures for at least a week before the initiation. When I was a chela for seven years I asked my mentor must I give up all earthly pleasures and his answer was that is only in books and movies. Before you do the crucifiction yes you must but as long as you do the best you can and take care as best you can you will not be punished. Madame Blavatsky one of the greatest occultist of all times smoked and drank. During the writing of the Secret Doctrine she did give up her vices. When we are preparing for important events we must do what is necessary but we also do not stop living.

[bakeneko]

Instead of creating a servitor, I would test myself to overcome all odds and become healthy with proper diet and willpower. It seems like a cop out to use magic.

Magic is used for self betterment of the spirit and mind. getting money and lust, power ext is a form of lesser magic to me, because it symbolizes cheating. Essentially I am calling you a cheater for using a magical diet.



While I agree with the first statement...I don't agree with the second. Mainly because I know far too many people going all "light and love" and "spiritual"... and never do a reality check/ success control of their "powers" (which in most cases do not exist to the extent these people believe) - people here not included of course...

Still, I am rather sceptical about idea of a "easy magical diet", because when you mess with your body through magic there are so many factors that can go plainly wrong. So you should better know exactly what you do...or don't do it. If one want something like this easy techniques as affirmations/auto-suggestion works just as well (with something like "I live a healthy life").


And as I am in a bit in a iconoclastic mood today: I don't think that Blavatsky was so great...she had her fair share in cheating.


Just my 2 cents...

[neptune]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is an 'etheric field'?

an etheric field is the lowest energy fiels that surrounds everything that exists on this earth plane...eg: humans, rocks,plants , buildings etc

Most people see it on human beings as that small whitish outline about and inch thick surrounding their bodies....it is the first energy field you see in a persons aura...

[Lady Dunsany]

The reason you do not think she was that great is because you do not understand her writings and will never know the secrets she taught. Dion Fortune mentions her, Israel ReGardie mentions her, Aleister Crowley use to consult her. She never cheated she gave her body so the masters could use her to write the Secret Doctrine and Isis unveiled. she did not cheat and the bull that was written about her had to be retracted 100 years later and she was vindicated. I find it extremely funny that you put down someone whom you have probably just touched the surface on and would not understand anything she wrote if it came up and bit you in the butt. I have been a theosophist and Fellow in the society for over fifteen years and have studied with the teachers who was raised at point Loma, and am taught in the astral by the masters. Your ignorance in her writing and teachings show plainly.
What you have read is really fluff compared to her, and the teachings I have been taught you will never see in books. So I suggest you stick to your little books you read and leave the true occultism to the ones who know what they are doing. This is not only my two cents this is a quarter. Frankly bakeneko the magick you try to do is a made up magick and one can see you are not that good at it.The magick I do is from thousand of years old, and you will never grasp it if it was programmed into you. I do eastern occultism, and as Dion Fortune said very few can practice eastern occultism any one can do western. You better stick to the little you do know. Perhaps Alice in wonderland would be a good book for you. Never and I mean never insult Madame Blavatsky again at least not on this board.

[bakeneko]

Well, I need to stick to what I can do...

Maybe I will get a better understanding the next time I read Blavatsky's works.

Still I regard the whole "Mahatma" letter business as...fishy. But this is of course only my opinion. No need to take it into any account.

[Lady Dunsany]

I have seen the masters and am taught by the masters in the astral light and as conscious trance channel they speak through me. If you are talking about Max Sinnnet he was a merely a radio. I can assure you the masters and Madame Blavatsky are still teaching the ones who they deem fit. I am not here to teach anyone Theosophy, but I will say you will never understand it by reading you have to have a mentor as the books are written in parables. Whether you deem the letters are true or not is your decision. Only the ones who are privy to the secret writings and teachings will know what is true. I am lucky to be one of them. Too many people are stuck in books by fluff writers and silly magick and all the other so called fiction books they think are real. It won't matter how many books by Blavatsky Judge or Purucker you read you will not see the true words as they only show themselves to chelas. You can read a line and when I read it it will not be what you read. You will not understand the teachings without a mentor. This is the last I will say on this. You can pick a book up by a Theosophist put it down go back the next day and the words have changed, but this will only happen if you are true to the teachings. This is why people can not understand her writings and get frustrated it is because they are not meant to understand and never will. Do not delve into the unknown if you are not willing to take it all the way. One more thing latent and true psychic powers are awakened with the teachings, but if a chela betrays the teaching all their powers will be taken away. This is the last I will say on this.

[bakeneko]

So basically you are saying I am a idiot who can not understand these works at all and never will.

Well, thanks. This could actually save me a library loan then, even though I actually wanted to get into this one more time.

By the way: Since you seem to know me so well, you could for sure provide a list of which books I read lately and state why they are "fluff" and "little" and not "true occultism".

I had such discussions before and just because you do not approve of my opinion is not a reason to attack me personally.
But maybe I should not mess with anyones "golden calf" anymore...

[Lady Dunsany]

Maybe you should learn to have respect before you judge someone you do not know about, and I did not call you an idiot that is your insecurity. Since you also do not know anything about Theosophy, Madame Blavatsky or eastern occultism stick to what little you do know. Do not attempt to go where you will not be able to go. My advice to you is leave Theosophy alone it is not for you and never will be. I have read your posts and your blatant disregard to others who are beginners is dangerous as we talked about on another thread. Like I said before leave Theosophy to the adults and stick with your little practices. I am glad i can save you money now you do not need to purchase books. Oh yes the remark about the golden calf would be funny if it was not so pathetic. This discussion is over and I do mean over.

[bakeneko]

Good that this is over... even though I still do not agree with you about several points...especially several ones about me as you do not know me either.

[Odin]

It seems that most of the occultist from way back in time refer to workings of Madame H.P. Blavatsky being a great influence in the field.

If one truly sits down and decides to become engrossed in the workings and the desire is seen the teachers and the Master will present themselves to the students

As the Masters see that the desire and the will of intent is put into the teachings the works will change and little by little the secret will be revealed to the chelea

The works for some are just that a read

It is true that Theosophy is a religion Religion, Science, and Philosophy all things combined

and it states that " There Is No Religion Higher Than Truth " which is Theosophy.