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pingping
02-17-2009, 03:08 AM
About 5 years ago I came across girl {lets call her Max} who was friends with a friend of mine.

I was invited to go with them to help dye someone’s hair. After awhile, I started to note that Max was off in some way.
Looking in her direction, she was attractive and interesting. But if I really looked at her it was hard to see, well, her. So after awhile, I reached down into my center and pushed past what I couldn’t see with out thinking about what I was doing. It was instinctual.

I saw that she was very ugly. Inside of her was ugly and well as her outside. And the moment I saw it, she knew I has seen it too.

She avoided me and started rumors about me. When the rumors got bad, I created and casted a sigil while in the main community area at my college. The moment I shot it off to dispel the rumors, Maxes head snapped in my direction from across the room.

So far, in this story, I know that she has control of glamour’s and can sense power.

The thing I don’t understand is what magick she used for this next thing.

She had a cult of sorts. She made a circle of people and she treated them like utter crap. But they still wanted, needed, craved to be her friend. She would exclude people from her circle based off of random whims and the excluded would be forever scared and hurt so much so that they couldn’t function for month’s afterword.
I have heard of popularity spells, but this seems way different then that. Like, some sort of enthrallment but way more then that.

What do you think she did to her “followers”?

One of her ex-friends came to me asking if Max was “into witch stuff” and described some behavior that she thought that might have been magickly enhanced or something. The best I could tell her was it seemed like something was making so she will blend into the background.

Max would walk into stores and steal things blatantly and never get caught. She would take books from Barns and Noble as well as grab doughnuts from the bakery section of grocery stores and eat them while walking around the store. No one would stop her.

Hell, last week I tried to walk out of Best Buy with the cell phone I had just bought 20 seconds pervious and was stopped by three employees demanding the receipt.

What do you think she did to be able to steal so efficiently?

Kouya
02-17-2009, 04:02 AM
Since you are looking for a description, one can thus place under a certain umbrella of being 'psychological based'. Look in the vein that all described actively affects the so-called mind, primarily those of whatever targets that be. You are already vaguely aware of what terms you may use to ascertain what this individual was using, and it is also good to note this person is actively consciously using them.

For the moment, having being in 'speech' Purson of the Goetia, it is simple to say that this person did not really use spells in the common convention of thinking of it, her capacities are slaved to thought, and thus are activated by her thought. Only rarely did she use full spells, her capacities were those of her 'mind' and 'energy'... so to speak.

Saeiane
02-17-2009, 09:10 AM
probably a mix of mind control, invisibility, glamoure. Wouldn't be able to fully know unless I met this person. Rest assured, abuse of power results in the LOSS of power. She's threatened by you, if you feel she is truly doing wrong- or if she starts to work against you. Take action, I would.

Ivory
02-17-2009, 11:13 AM
Might I suggest a form of divination to find some clues?

It sounds like an interesting mystery to me, but after 5 years - who knows? Look her up and see.

Some people are potent in their own right - awakened souls who don't understand what they do as 'magic' but have extremely powerful spirits. Could be that she just has a very sophisticated form of manipulation down - the ability to read and react to body language without thinking and having an adaptive personality can manifest as magickal in group settings. Having self-esteem issues can create the need for this skill - the fear of being rejected forces the person to hyper-train themselves in the social department. That might be the ugly you sensed - you saw through the mask.

As for her noticing your sigil-cast - might be coincidence, or she might have picked up the psychic blip.

Or...

Well, she could be something else. Probably not, but, hey, universe is a big place, and I like to wrap up these things with a bit of happy fantastical suggestion.

Imhotepsol
02-17-2009, 12:46 PM
Sounds like psychological trickery nothing more.

If you're interested in this form of 'magick' have a look at some of Derren Browns work, he does alot around glamour, mind reading and psychological illusions. From your post I'd look for one of his vids called paying with paper, or a show called Messiah where he was acredited by various new age and traditional establishments using simple tricks.

Remember a good slap is as powerful as a spell, see if you can't catch her on her own for 5 minutes ;)

Sachiel
02-18-2009, 01:18 AM
I read something a while back on TLOK which put a situation like what you've described into my head.

Straight mental magick really messes with people. If she can cast glamours as effectively as you say, there's not question that a small pull could be put on those around her. So she effectively addicts people to herself, and potentially draws energy off of the emotional turmoil created.

I've personally had amazing success with the same invisibility you've described on maybe two occasions. If she can maintain a tangible glamour, again, she would have no problem being as uninteresting as possible to those who would prevent theft.

As an experiment, make a decent psychic shield, cover your mindseye with some kind of sunglasses construct to shield the glamours, and then look her straight in the eye sometime.

pingping
02-18-2009, 03:38 AM
As an experiment, make a decent psychic shield, cover your mindseye with some kind of sunglasses construct to shield the glamours, and then look her straight in the eye sometime.

Once I saw past her glamour, it never affected me again.


Some people are potent in their own right - awakened souls who don't understand what they do as 'magic' but have extremely powerful spirits. Could be that she just has a very sophisticated form of manipulation down - the ability to read and react to body language without thinking and having an adaptive personality can manifest as magickal in group settings. Having self-esteem issues can create the need for this skill - the fear of being rejected forces the person to hyper-train themselves in the social department. That might be the ugly you sensed - you saw through the mask.

I know, through various conversations inflicted upon me by her ex-friends, that she is some sort of witch.

Someone told me that she had figured out in high school that if she was to be mean to everyone that people would want to be her friend. Before that she had no friends. Perhaps that realization eventually led her to magick and started her education in manipulation.

Does the being mean thing really work? It doesn't make sense to me.

The thing about her being a witch is, I have met some really powerful magick people and I can sense them. When we are in the vicinity of one another, its like freaking highlander, we just know the other is there. Max doesn’t even come up on my radar.


she effectively addicts people to herself

My boyfriend suggested that very thing yesterday. It would make people need to be around her.


and potentially draws energy off of the emotional turmoil created.

And the fact that her ex-friends are constantly bitching about her and in pain do to her rejection most likely adds more power to that.

What kind of spell would draw the energy from the people who are in turmoil?



I've personally had amazing success with the same invisibility you've described on maybe two occasions. If she can maintain a tangible glamour, again, she would have no problem being as uninteresting as possible to those who would prevent theft.

What did you do and how did you do it?

Sachiel
02-18-2009, 06:39 AM
I'm not sure if one would need a specific spell to draw energy off of emotional states... energetic predators tend to draw off of fear etc., and I can only assume that that is because they're easy to create. I imagine its the same as drawing any energy from your surroundings, except that she makes more of it available by being a bitch. Kind of twisted.

As for being invisible, I basically calmed my mind and tried to force my aura into a tangible shell of something between insignificance and actual invisibility, and then pumped energy into that construct, and cleared my mind of myself, making sure not to look at my own body so that I could keep up the mental idea of invisibility.

The times it has worked, I've had an unbelievable amount of clarity in focus, though. My guess is it would be tough to pin down, even if she were using the same method as I.

Did you see her do this, since you see past the glamours?

Lady Dunsany
02-18-2009, 09:49 AM
She is using a low amateurish form of magick, I seriously doubt she actually knows what she are doing. Check out people in grocery stores do this. Imagine a shield around you and deflect her energy off of you. You are only seeing and feeling what you and she wants you to feel and see. Every one here has given you sound advice but she is not threat unless you let her be. As for being able to steal that was not magick that was out and out shop lifting she was just lucky. I would avoid her and anyone she is friends with. As I said she is not that good just lucky at this time. It will catch up to her and these silly little mind games she is playing will eventually wane .

Ivory
02-19-2009, 10:09 AM
Dunsany is right, as are the others.

I can instigate what she does myself easily - I have no need to prey on people with the talent, however. It isn't sophisticated magic, but it is a form of magnetism.

Why not do what nobody else has suggested, and strike up a conversation with her?

So she's a bitch - it's probably a facade anyway.

Two magicians of any sort can teach each other a lot.

And on the mean thing working - Yes, if done correctly. People LOVE to work themselves into hierarchies of one sort or another. Pack mentality. If the meanness is backed by some sort of authoritative aura, most people will subconsciously assume that the person is of higher social order than they and try and live up to their standards - Alpha Beta rolls.

I hear playing with people is like playing with cats, only the cats are way smarter.

:D

pingping
02-19-2009, 03:18 PM
About 5 years ago I came across girl

Not really in contact with her anymore.

Ruby Heart
02-21-2009, 06:40 PM
Hello,

That girl sounds like someone I used to know at school. I didn't think magic was involved but your story seems more than just a conventional popular girl.

She walked around stores stealing and never been caught? Did anyone tell you this or did you see it? I may sound like a skeptic but I'm trying to find a rational answer first before I conclude she used magic.

I do believe some people have a magnetic power of influencing others and maybe more. I'm not a witness so I can't come up with anything else other than she was highly popular and popular people (some of them) take it for granted.

AnonKnight
02-24-2009, 12:27 AM
I've seen this both described in several books and in practice before.

I would have to meet her to be certain of course, but my best guess would be that she is a latent or awakened psychic vampire, leeching energy off her closest friends. This explains the almost addictive pull she has on them, regardless of her behavior.

The glamour is of course just that, and it is extremely common for vampyres (legitimate energy ones, not gothic fluffy bunnies) to work in glamours to attract hosts to them.

The invisibility is a very low form of the glamour, which I myself have used before to great effect, and she seems to use it rather efficiently. It deals with modifying the psychic shield that you use (although psychic vampyres are encouraged to dissipate their shield entirely to better facilitate energy consumption) to a kind of oil slickness, or even being completely invisible, at least those are the visualizations I used.

If you meet another person like that, be sure to stay away from them if you are able, because they are not very responsible with their magick, if they have any cognizance of it at all.

This is not to say all psychic vampyres are irresponsible rogue magickians, on the contrary, most realize that they need to be responsible, and are quite extraordinary in terms of magickal ability and discipline, and are able to use their gifts to great effect.


A few thoughts,
Anonymous Knight

pingping
04-06-2009, 08:27 AM
I've seen this both described in several books and in practice before.

Can you give me the titles of the books?


my best guess would be that she is a latent or awakened psychic vampire

In high school i met a psychic vampire named Rachel and i got lost in her little world. About a year later i moved far away and after some time was able to look back and see the whole situation more clearly.

In retrospect, I can see Max as being almost exactly like Rachel.

I met someone a few weeks ago who says they are a psychic vampire. It came up in a conversation. He confessed that he couldn't get energy from me. Later on, i started noting that some girls i knew thought he was very sexually attractive...

Coke bottle glasses aside; he's the ugliest person i have ever seen in my life.

I wonder if I blocked them off instinctually.