Thread: need help

Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany

I have been astral traveling since I was five years old. I would be sleeping and my parents would see me in another room, or now I will be at the computer and my husband will see me in another room. I was very erractic until I learned a quick meditation I read in one of Eliphas Levi's books. Sit quietly and picture a red sun, you can do this during the day or before you go to bed. It takes practice and concentration. Every one at some pont astral travels at night when they sleep, they just do not know it. There are a lot pain in the neck problems that can occur not getting back in your body and having the feeling of being paralysed or ending up in one of the underworlds where it is not so nice. I have been doing it so long I have even been taught in the astral light. There are exercises you can do also to help you. I have been lucky, my husband had a hard time at first but now he is able to do it. With everything there is no quick fix if you want to do it right. Of course people when they drink or do drugs they do this automatically but unfortunately sometimes something can attach themselves if one does not protect themselves. It is just a personal thing and I agree that it is up to you on how you want to proceed. There are many different ways to get there it is just how does one want to try. I have a friend who stares at the TV and out he goes and another one who only travels occassionally and at night. Just be consistant and patient. Hope this helps a bit.

thinks i will give it a try but it use to be fire that helped me at first but now i cant seem to consentrat.

Originally Posted by Odin

First and utmost before you begin to meditate and before you astral travel protect your self.
You can do this simply by saying a prayer of protection and surrounding yourself in a egg of white light.
You may take a phrase and repeat it to your self and concentrate on this phrase feel it, believe it ( you can say to your self " The lord is my Shepard ) this is just a suggestion but it should be something that you will feel comfortable with that is not to lengthy and notice your breath, relax
When you feel that you are falling in your body you will begin to experience astral travel
This is just a short condensed verision but I hope it helps

thinks and i will try your idea too. befor i gaze into the fire.

WELL I TRYED TO DO IT BUT ALL I SAW WAS A BRIGHT LIGHT AND THEN IT WENT BLACK. WHAT DOSE IT MEAN? I DONT KNOW BUT I GOT COLD AND THEN WORM AGAIN AND IT WAS GOING FROM BRIGHT TO BLACK. IT IS WERD BUT I AM GOIN TO TRY IT AGAIN AND SEE IF I GET THE SAME THING. TELL U GUYS ALL ABOUT IT.

you might first try to get the protection down before moving on, remember this is a journey not a race.
As you get more comfortable with one aspect then move onto the next.
And as you begin to raise energy you will feel warm in parts of your body say feet then hands acknowledge it but don't get caught up in the feeling try to focus on where you want to go First protection, next meditative state then astral travel

i have done protection and i got it right the second time i done it but it jest seams to not work i meen i did it to my kids and it is working for them but it is not working for me. i go by the spell that i have and it is jest not working cause i am doing it defore i go to sleep cause i am waking up with bruses again on my left arm but it is not working i am stell geting them when i wake up it is only two but i know what it will look like after a few more dreams. i am also haveing a feeling of someone tuching me on my right sholder in the back while iam a wake and this is contenuse all day and it has happend before but i am not seeing the guy with red eyes like i did last time it could be someone diffternt i dont know. all i know is that theis things are happening again and protection is not working. what do i do?

last one was a fallen fyi ill find a protection spell just like the other ones i sent you, it might take a few days because i customize each one to who ever and i try it out myself beforehand but ill start today, ill send it to you via pm

thinks harlock

Well. I kinda naturally anchor myself to a certain within my core through meditation, that way i don't wander off. As for protection I have a spirit guide that protects me but it seems tat you don't so a good idea is to praactice focusing on one thing as you meditate. What i mean is I focus on the sound of and only the sound of water running or the rain against my window. Something constant and rarely changes. Focus on this and it will give your mind an enhanced sense for faster meditation. Once you get comfortable with that you can delve deep within yourself into your core biend and draw strength and protection from it. (I am not saying that this works all the time but in my experience it has)

In the book penned by Raymond Buckland "The Bid Blue Book " he explains the most people meditate the wrong way.

He explains that when people meditate they don't center themselves they just begin doing it
He then goes on to explain the steps for proper meditation

Step 1 ) get in a seated position hands relaxed on your lap

Step 2 ) take 3 deep breaths in though the nose and exhale through the mouth

Step 3 ) place a finger on one side of the nose ( say first left side in hale through the right side, move your finger to the other side right side and exhale ) inhale through the right side transfer the finger to the left side exhale
Do this process three times on each side

Step 4 ) take a deep breath through the nose and forcefully exhale through the mouth getting rid of the air that is held in the bottom of the diaphragm and do this three times

This may seem like a lot but helps in the centering and at the same time aids in the raising of energy and after a while comes naturally almost automatic

Everyone projects naturally. One of the chief barriers people learning to project face is fear. Many are afraid that they may die, or be harmed in some way as a result of their projection. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Learn both physical and mental relaxation. "The ability to relax is the first prerequisite, perhaps even the first step itself" to having an OBE. Progressive Muscle relaxation, coupled with deep breathing exercises (deep but, relaxed not forced breathing the four fold breath can work well here) are known to work well.

Enter the state bordering sleep. This is known as the hypnagogic state. One way is to hold your forearm up, while keeping your upper arm on the bed, or ground. As you start to fall asleep, your arm will fall, and you will awaken again. With practice, you can learn to control the Hypnagogic state without using your arm. Another method is to concentrate on an object. When other images start to enter your thoughts, you have entered the Hypnagogic state. Passively watch these images. This will also help you maintain this state of near-sleep.

Deepen this state. Begin to clear your mind. observe your field of vision through your closed eyes. Do nothing more for a while. Simply look through your closed eyelids at the blackness in front of you. After a while, you may notice light patterns. These are simply neural discharges. They have no specific effect. Ignore them. When they cease, one has entered what Robert Monroe calls Condition B. From here, one must enter an even deeper state of relaxation which Robert Monroe calls Condition C-- a state of such relaxation that you lose all awareness of the body and sensory stimulation. You are almost in a void in which your only source of stimulation will be your own thoughts. The ideal state for leaving your body is Condition D. This is Condition C when it is voluntarily induced from a rested and refreshed condition and is not the effect of normal fatigue. To achieve Condition D, Monroe suggests that you practice entering it in the morning or after a short nap.

Enter a state of Vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague. Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or as is electricity is being shot through the body. /their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical one.
For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the following directions:

1. Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching your skin.
2. Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your eyelids, but do not shut out all light.
3. Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your head pointed toward magnetic north.
4. Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are slightly warmer than might normally be comfortable.
5. Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when, there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you.
6. Enter a state of relaxation
7. Give yourself the mental suggestion that you will remember all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be beneficial to your well-being. Repeat this five times.
8. Proceed to breath through your half-open mouth.
9. As you breath, concentrate on the void in front of you.
10. Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change your point of mental reference to six feet.
11. Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary line parallel to your body axis up and above your head. Focus there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and bring them back into your body. Even if you don't know what these vibrations are, you will know when you have achieved contact with them.

Learn to control the vibrational state. Practice controlling them by mentally pushing them into your head, down to your toes, making them surge throughout your entire body, and producing vibrational waves from head to foot. To produce this wave effect, concentrate of the vibrations and mentally push a wave out of your head and guide it down your body. Practice this until you can induce these waves on command. Once you have control of the vibrational state, you are ready to leave the body.

Begin with a partial separation. The key here is thought control. Keep your mind firmly focused on the idea of leaving the body. Do not let it wander. Stray thought might cause you to lose control of the state. Now, having entered the vibrational state, begin exploring the OBE by releasing a hand or a foot of the "second body". Monroe suggests that you extend a limb until it comes in contact with a familiar object, such as a wall near your bed. Then push it through the object. Return the limb by placing it back into coincidence with the physical one, decrease the vibrational rate, and then terminate the experiment. Lie quietly until you have fully returned to normal. This exercise will prepare you for full separation.

Dissociate yourself from the body. Monroe suggests two methods for this. One method is to lift out of the body. To do this, think about getting lighter and lighter after entering this vibrational state. Think about how nice it would be to float upward. Keep this thought in mind at all costs and let no extraneous thoughts interrupt it. An OBE will occur naturally at this point.

Another method is the "Rotation method" or "roll-out" technique. When you have achieved the vibrational state, try to roll over as if you were turning over in bed. /do not attempt to roll over physically. Try to twist your body from the top and virtually roll over into your second body right out of your physical self. At this point, you will be out of the body but next to it. Think of floating upward, and you should find yourself floating above the body. Monroe suggests you begin with the lift-out method, but argues that both are equally efficacious.

You can find out more about the techniques listed above from, "Leaving The Body: A Complete Guide to Astral Projection",by D. Scott Rogo

I would also recommend that you read Dion Fortune's Psychic Self Defense.

Relying on drugs IMHO is not good, you should be able to project without them as it is a natural thing to do.