Thread: need help

I have never read a book on this except one by Eliphas Levi which changed my life. Think of a red sun. You sir are an encyclopedia and I knew you would have a book. I am sorely out of the realm so to speak. I have been doing this for so long without any training except my parents it is impossible for me to try to explain it. Thank the Universe you are here.

hey Isis have you had any luck with the traveling ?

not really but i am trying everything i can find and what everyone has given me so fare but i am going to give up untill i do it right but even then i wont give up..

Isis do you meditate? There are a few things you can do to start simply. Use a candle and stare at the flame till you feel you are the candle and see yourself out of your body. You can do this an hour before bed. Practice seeing one limb of your body pushing itself out a bit at a time. When you go to bed at night tell yourself I will travel tonight programme it in your mind. There are CD's but you do not want to become dependant on them,

thank you i will give it a try i have stared into a flame to meditate i would do it until i felt like i was asleep and then i started to feel cold... but i will try it i am doing it right now...

I think the problem here is that you're forgetting one of the base rules of any magickal technique. Follow your intuition, one of the VERY first things I try to develop in my students is their magickal intuition, I give them basic guidelines and let them find their own way through the mechanics. It is a reliable method.

So. Guidelines (to my personal method)
Lay down or sit comfortably, (in a bed, or a plushy recliner) do a protection ritual if you wish and lower your consciousness through either meditation, counting backwards, humming, drumming, listening to music. Anything to get you into a lucid state of mind, not trance state but a lucid state. You'll feel airy, dreamy. Possibly even 'unusually happy' from here, close your eyes and visualize yourself somewhere, a temple, a pitch-black room, your own room, I prefer a pitch black hallway, now from here you can do one of two things. Visualize this replica of yourself sliding/pulling/twisting/falling/slithering out of your physical body- connected by a silver thread (don't focus on the thread, I've been projecting for quite a few years and have never even SEEN the thread, but I know it's there) ALTERNATIVELY you can 'illuminate' (if you chose the black-out method, if not just see it there) a mirror, or door or some type of 'threshold' device. Even a window or a pool of water will work. And step through it, finding yourself immediately transported out of your body. Just keep the visualization going, soon you'll switch consciousness to your astral body, all that you need to focus on is the two bodies once your out. No need for any other real details (though if you're in an armchair, include the chair) it doesn't need to be clear you just need to see two of yourself. Once you switch consciousness to your astral body, move it a little. Do some stretching (the first way I learned to project was a "duel movement" method, I moved my astral and my physical body together to help get control.)

now practice up to here once a night/day for the next few days until it becomes easier, once you're ready now comes the traveling part [:

To the Astral Realm: put your (Astral bodies) hands out in front of you, palms facing outward but towards each other and create a "gateway" a gate can manifest in many forms, I've seen them as everything from 'tears in reality' to greco-roman stone archways, to wormholes to a veil of heat waves. Focus on a place where you want this gate to go, on the astral what you see is going to be majorly anchored in imagination, (the details at least) and step through

To the Etheric Realm: Technically you're already there :B a copy of the 'real' world. With minor differences (the ether is more malleable to mental visualization) go fly around

To anywhere else: same basic method as To the Astral Realm. But change the destination.


Good luck. lol

thank you all for the help i have been pratceing and now i have some good news i have alrady told lady d and odin but here it is:

as i did the medatation with the candle and my dream that night was so detaled that i saw a temple and when i went in it had a flame shouting out of the middle and a voice came throu the flame and told me that i was getting close and to keep what friends i have now for i will have many as i get close to what i am about to achave. i think that the voice was talking about the friends i made on here... i dont know but i have been seeing the temple ever sence in my dreams i can still feel the wormth of the flame all around me now the cold dose not brother me as i walk out side now... i am doing some resurch on the temple.


here is what i found out about the temple that was in my dream:

A cowherd found that one of his cows was always without milk. He followed the cow to find out the cause. He saw a girl coming out of the forest who drank the cow's milk, and then disappeared in a flash of light. The cowherd went to the king and told him the story. The king was aware of the legend that Sati's tongue had fallen in this area. The king tried, without success, to find that sacred spot. Again, some years later, the cowherd went to the king to report that he had seen a flame burning in the moutains. The king found the spot and had darshan (vision) of the holy flame. He built a temple there and arranged for priests to engage in regular worship. It is believed that the Pandavas came later and renovated the temple. The folk song that "Panjan Panjan Pandavan Tera Bhawan Banaya" bears testimony to this belief. Raja Bhumi Chand, the progenitor of the ruling Katoch family of Kangra, first built the temple.

The modern building of temple is with a gilt dome and pinnacles and possesses a beautiful folding door of silver plates, presented by Sikh Raja Kharak Singh. This silver door so struck Lord Hardinge that he had a model made of it. Maharaja Ranjit Singh presented the gilt roof in 1815 AD. The interior of the temple consists of a square pit about 3 feet deep with a pathway all around. In the middle, the rock is hollowed out over a primary fissure of a flame considered to be the fiery mouth of Mahakali. The flames escape at several other points from the crevics of the wall of the pit. There are nine flames in total representing following different forms of Goddess:-

1 .Maa Saraswati
2. Maa Annapurna
3. Maa Chandi
4. Hing Laj
5 .Vindhya Vasini
6 .Mahalakshmi
7 .Mahakali
8 .Ambika
9 .Anjana

Jawalamukhi has since times immemorial turned out to be a great pilgrimage centre. The Mughal Emperor Akbar once tried to extinguish the flames by covering them with an iron disk and even channelizing water to them. But the flames blasted all these efforts. Akbar then presented a golden parasol at the shrine. However, his cynicism at the power of devi caused the gold to debase into another metal. His belief in the deity was all the more strengthened after this incident. Thousands of pilgrims visit the shrine round the year to satisfy their spiritual urge.

CHARACTERISTICS OF JAWALAJI :-
Jawala Ji has an unique characteristic of perpetual lights emanating from the rock at temple site being considered the manifestation of goddess.
i. Jawala Ji as a center of faith is unparalleled and unique. There is no deity or idol that is worshiped, nor there is a magnificent temple building to be admired. It has the series of jets of inflammable natural lighting since times immemorial believed to be the symbol of Goddess.
ii. Aartis are essential rituals in all the temples in the country. However, the Shayan Aarti performed at Jawala Ji before bed time is unique. The bed of Goddess is decked up with rich dresses and ornaments during aarti.
iii Jawala Ji is easily accessible being located on a National Highway and is also accessible throughout the year as weather is pleasant
iv. It is fast emerging as a tourist centre as it is located only about an hour distance from the famous tourist resort of Dharamshala in Kangra Valley on Dharamshala-Shimla Road. Because of various historical factors associated with the temple, it has become a source of attraction to students and scholars. Besides, general tourists visiting Dharamshala do also not miss to see this place. As such it has acquired a vast dimension, as both pilgrims and general tourists visit the shrine.

i found it here: Welcome to kangrapilgrimage.com | Kangra Valley Temples | Maa Jawalaji Devi Temple | Legend
but i am going to look for more info on the temple and the goddess or god...