Thread: Vision Quest/ Magick

Originally Posted by Belasko

Oh Jesus not one of you! Young man is that suppose to bother me, I am sure you can do better than that. Wait a minute I don't give a ****.

No, it wasn't supposed to bother you, but as it would seem that you have this vice for the old and ugly ad hominem, I could see how you would take what I said in such a way. Perhaps a more refined sensibility, a more lofty spirit, would clearly see that I was inviting you to participate in any relevant debate of your choosing, while, as best as I could, trying to establish some rapport with your rather lowly psychospiritual state, by conforming myself--ah, but then so little--to the aggressive tone of your posts.

You say that you "don't give a ****" about my previous post, but obviously something within my posts has stirred you off your rocker enough for you to embarrass yourself as you have done--even Zelda seems reluctant to defend you, despite the obvious respect for you that she had previously cultivated. I am not exactly overly acquainted with the "in-crowds" of the occult world--I really don't care to be--but I have made the acquaintance of Wasserman and Dr. Kaczynski; while I do not know the former very well, and could only say good things about the latter, I have yet to meet a single one of my esoteric peers that can match me either in the practical or theoretical dimensions of magic. I know, it's my inflated ego speaking: ok, but as a wide-ranging plethora of psychological functions are conceptualized by "inflated ego," many of which I would choose to nourish within myself, this supposed criticism only leaves me hungry for more detail from you--detail which you do not have the courage to provide, detail, however, if properly explicated and defended, could only be to my benefit. Haha, now you should see--alas, my faith in your abilities is justifiably minimal--where I am going with all this. Please add at least a little cognitive element to your attacks should you choose to reply; this protracted emotionalism on your part only reinforces my cynicism.

Originally Posted by Natasha77

When I first began magick in early high school I was restricted on physical freedom. I was that typical covert witch in a religious area. I began attempting astral projection and never completely left the body. Yet I did, and have always been able to, go into my "Mind's Eye". In a way it was remote viewing. I explored the upper and lower planes this way. It's almost as if only a part of me left the body. I read so much about astral projection yet people never talk about this 'inbetween' kind. I am curious to others perspective of it.

On another note, I learned to practice magick while in this 'deep visualization'. I can practice rituals in the physical with no problem, but I find in the 'minds eye/astral' I have access to any concept. Any tool, any herbs, any environment. Years ago I left this way of practicing magick to begin to learn the physical side. Now recently I have begun to go into this 'visualization' again to practice magick. Is it any more or less valid than physically doing it? What is your opinion?

I believe that the astral plane is a certain level of the mental plane.
It's possible to send out energy and mental fractions into projections.
You dont have to be out of your body before your soul can move energies around and view things.

I think it is good that you are practicing as you are, and you should keep up the good work.