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    Quote Originally Posted by myrobalan View Post
    one of the best things one can do before they begin magic is figure out why they really want to walk this path.

    one must become a Mystic before they become a Magician.
    that's what the whole contact with the Holy Guardian Angel is all about.
    contact with That makes one a Mystic: one who seeks & loves "God" 1st.

    "Seek ye 1st the Kingdom of God." - "It is within you." - The Bible

    once some contact is made, all ones desires slowly begin to revolve around virtuous activities.

    virtuous actions lead to happiness. bad actions lead to suffering. this is basic karmic law (cause & effect).

    if you figure out your True Will (Swa-Dharma) via contact with your HGA,
    you won't waste what limited Chi/Ki/Prana/Ruach/Heka you have pursuing trivial magical goals.

    you have a limited amount of Chi, use it wisely
    this becomes more self-evident the older your body gets...

    regarding mental stability, grounding is something one has to practice a lot of.
    generally speaking, air & water signs will have a harder time with this.

    daily mental/emotional stability is also greatly influenced by the planets but that is another post in itself.

    best wishes on your journey,
    myro

    Myrobalan, thank you for all that. You've made some good points. I am no longer interested in really using magick for small things. Well, maybe something here and there. My main thirst is to satisfy my lust for knowing beyond the surface. You said first be a mystic. Wiki mentions something about mysticism, wanting knowledge beyond the 5 senses. I agree with that statement in poking at what i'm looking for. That's the thing. I feel like I am looking, but for what I'm not sure. I just feel something. I've since I was a kid. I believe i have a philosophers spirit.

    Anyway, you quote the bible, and bring up god and HGA. I get turned off by all that. I've never been a christian and am not sure I ever will be. So how could i work with LBRP or towards conversation with HGA if I don't believe in it? Not that I disbelieve it either. In the end I want to touch the universe. I want to truly feel existence. To be in tune with it. Or vibrate with it? With what is actually going on. This may be as close as I can get to becoming one with god. My god is not the bible god. My god is not an entity. I don't really have a god. I just realize that something amazing is happening here and it is beyond any comprehension at all. But maybe you can get close to some sort of realization that puts you in tune with it all. Tell me what you think please? Are you christian?
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    Myrobalan, thanks!

    I am currently trying to print that book, in the computer room at my apartments. It's about 370 pages lol. I ran all the paper out with it and had to bug them for more. I'm leaving town soon to go work a national park and figured it'd be good reading while i'm out there.

    Thanks for clearing up alot of my misunderstandings. And thank you, I feel like I have a good soul . I can tell you do as well.

    Why do you believe most spirits lie? In a ying/yang polarities sense it should at least be half .

    the Yogis have said that the quickest path to enlightenment is to constantly meditate on the 3rd eye, Ajna chakra. & too also see the Divine everywhere (outside & inside of you).
    Could you elaborate on this? Some nice links even would help.

    if you understand the essence of the 4 Noble Truths & Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, you will gain much wisdom & contentment.
    This one too.

    let me know what path you leans towards...so that i can tailor my messages.
    What do you mean by path?

    Oh and, again, thanks for the book. That's a huge score for me from the way you explain it. I've been looking for something like that.
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    Okay! Thanks again. I'll be saving this one too.

    Not so sure about my future self however. Maybe in some energy form without a direct consciousness...

    I believe in karma in the way of reactions. Not that the universe will send something "bad" back on you if YOU do "bad", but there will of course be a reaction that will send out it's ripples through the cosmic fabric. I don't really think the universe has an idea of "bad" or "good". It just IS and there are teeter-totter reactions to opposite points hence the cause and then the effect.

    I appreciate your links and info on all this. You mentioned "path" earlier. I guess I could say I'm more interested in results than any sort of doctrines on how to live. However I do understand that certain ways of living preached in those doctrines do effect the strength and possibilities of the results.

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    I tend to agree with that...I recon God is on a beach somewhere sippin a Pina-Colada wondering why we keep talking to him.

    Really...he went through all the hassle of creating this awesomely finely tuned and remarkably unlikely universe, that is self correcting on all levels, always seeks the optimum point of balance and allows those that wish to ascend to higher planes of existence and manifest their personal will if only they quite complaining and got off the couch...why create ALL this if you have to sit and micro-manage it?

    ...I bet he's all like..."dudes, just get on with it...I'm chillin..."
    Prick your finger it is done
    The Moon has now eclipsed the Sun
    The Angel has spread its wings
    The time has come for bitter things

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    ...I bet he's all like..."dudes, just get on with it...I'm chillin..."
    Ha!

    Classic. I hope god likes pina coladas...I do. It'd be nice to have a few with him and shoot the ****.

    "You god! Wassup?!"

    Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myrobalan View Post
    future self = i meant your next incarnation

    our actions follow us from life to life. the good you do now will follow you.

    the spiritual practices you do now will follow you.

    you desire a path of results? then some form of gnostic path is good.

    Buddhism is a gnostic path but without all those confusing Archons & thingies.

    Buddhism is also not concerned with dogma.

    i am talking about old school Buddhism though (hinayana ), not mahayana (tibetan buddhism & the like).

    you will do fine. just keep on keeping on

    your inner Self will guide you

    blessings,
    myro
    No No No, I know you meant some form of reincarnation! I was just saying, I'm not sure about all that. Some energy of mine may get dispersed, but as far as souls and coming back as a gorilla(awesome) or something like that is concerned, well it all sounds a little far-fetched to ME.

    Explain gnostic path? I feel if I have success with certain methods from different paradigms, especially success with tasting the universe, then that is what works. I do like the idea of picking something for now though, and sticking with it. It's not a very organic method, but hey, you gotta start somewhere. I've started reading "Circles Of Power" and really like it so far. Think I'll start there and the whole golden dawn system.

    Hey mods, sorry about the thread going off topic!

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    Cute respones. But in no way put a dent in my tower of intellectiusmness. Ha. Okay, seriously though. Thinking a thought is insane, and since you can't avoid that, then yeah, we're all nuts.

    gnostic = gnosis = gyana = jnana = soundless imageless vibrationless wisdom
    Okay, that hits close to that big red thing on the dartboard. Whatever it's names been called throughout the ages. Or "yugas" for you Myrobalan.

    Anyway, many great works and blah.

    I have an idea. The brain is mysterious, can we all agree on that?

    Well, lets say anyone of us happen to be sitting around one day. There's no daath, no cthulu, no crowley, no dawn, no teacher, no nothin'.

    Let's say you look up, layin on some grass, or carpet, and a sudden thought snaps in your brain, a weird synapse, and suddenly there is no "sense". There are no forums, there are no names, there are no anythings, no explanations, no reasons to tell whoever the hell. You just have a certain electronic jolt ie nirvana, enlightenment, whatever the crap, and ......

    Well, anyway. I think sometimes we all get caught up in the trackways, the trails(which are for sure important) that we lose sight of the amazing unexplainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RunningAroundNakedOnFire View Post
    I have some questions for some of the "more experienced" here. Just some thoughts mainly about the mental changes that begin to take place once an individual gets interested in the occult. And damn, is it interesting stuff!

    Now, my magickal experience this far has mostly consisted of (pretty weak but slightly creative)sigil casting, ONE ritual(get into that in a minute), and attempting to create a servitor(not sure if it worked or not, also will get to that). Mostly, tiny curious results have come about from all my tinkering around. So I am not really into the thick of things. I have mostly done ALOT of reading, on forums and sites all over the net, standing on the edge of things, in the background.

    I'll take breaks every 6 months to a year. I'll lose interest and become involved in other things. This has went on for about 4 years. But I always somehow end up coming back to reading into the occult(especially the forums!) because it is just so fascinating to me. BUT, I notice a problem start to arise every time I come back. And it is the problem of what to believe. I feel like my sanity is somehow being threatened, because reality will become unsure to me.

    I catch myself starting to really believe in angels and demons, in actual negative entities out to skull me if I step wrong. And I don't like that one bit. I did not grow up religous. I have never believed in the bible god, jesus or any of that. On the flip side, I've often been really fascinated how religous people function. If they really DO believe. I love watching those sunday morning shows. I'll sit there and just be in awe that all of these people are so wrapped up in something that seems so absurd. So it is scary to me to think I'm becoming one of them.

    What makes that worse, is that religous people have ONE set of beliefs. Their god is gonna bail them out. Not so for me. If I start to believe one thing then the whole damn bus load shows up. Cthulu, Enochian angels/demons, egregores empowered into existence by belief energy, etc. I start to lose track of what is real and what is not. I can't tell. Does it even matter? It all starts to get very confusing until I just end up dropping it altogether.

    I would love to get some Chaos Magickians input on this. Because as far as I know, the idea of chaos magick is to drop the dogma, sleep with with belief just for the sake of results(without ever calling back), no matter what religion or thought system you're exploiting. Have you ever had problems with getting attached to the beliefs?

    I would also love to hear from some peeps who believe there is REAL **** out there that you just don't **** around with. I've seen this mostly in enochian discussions. Christianity, the bible religions seem to get the most attention over anything else when it comes to the seriousness of consequences. Alot of people seem to think it is REAL and not just a thought system for results to be exploited from.

    In the end for me, I see it all as energy to be interacted with. Science has it's flaws but it's the most logical way to measure existence as far as I can tell. I've never seen angels or ugly squiggly things so why would I believe in them? I can believe that there is ENERGY given to the IDEA of them, which may give them some objectivity, somehow.

    Anyway, have any of you had this "reality" problem along your paths? Am I being clear enough?

    One last thing. The ritual I mentioned above was out of LaVey's "Satanic Bible". I did this with my own original touch to it. I did it without any real belief in Belal, Leviathan, Satan or Lucifer. However I did call their names. Back then, my skill at banishing was as is good as it is now. Extremely elementary. Are there those of you out there that do not even worry about banishing? How would I be able to tell if there are any adverse affects on my life or mind since then? I could describe the ritual in more detail if anyone is curious.

    The servitor I have abandoned. It was a necklace with the head of the pharoah and a sigil inscribed on the back. I made him to give me better persuasion with girls I was attracted to. The day he was made, I ran into a very beautiful girl and ended up spending some time with her and her friends. Although it didn't work out with the girl, the pecuilar thing to me was her necklace. It was a more detailed, golden Pharoahs head. Should I destroy the servitor, even though it has been years since I've given it attention? Would there be adverse effects for abandoning it all this time?

    Can any of you also offer advice on how to pay attention to negative effects if they are present? How to spot them out and know they are from occult tinkering as compared to just regular life bad luck/bad decisions?

    Thank you so much for any response you can give me on this. It's a long post I know.

    **EDIT**: And I've made it a little longer now!
    Just a couple quick things. Do you think this has to do with obsession Peter Carol talked about? I've noticed when I get back into occult it seems to take over my daily thoughts. I'm trying to notice things that I usually wouldn't pay attention to. Way too much.

    Also, the thread about the dangers of enochian magick mentioned something about Coronzon being related to Satan, and how this entity loves to throw off your stability, mentally and otherwise. I'm wondering if my satanic ritual has messed with me this way. As my life has been very random and erratic for a while. I could say it was that way before the ritual I guess. I also notice that I have an affinity for acting completely random and non-sensical alot of the time but this could also be decribed as just goofing off? I guess maybe i'm thinking too deep into all of this?
    If you are conjecturing about "Coronzon" then you have missed the point. Coronzon is attributed to the Hebrewically spirtualistic term known as "Da'ath." But, of course, your thoughts on such could be easily applied to your Ego. In that case, you need to do some personal introspection and apply it unto your life.

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    RANOF: What is so strange, a priori, about thinking there might be intervening spirits in the world? Perhaps you were not raised to believe in them - but the majority of human beings, through various shamanic traditions and their descendants, certainly have. In fact, it would be a massive cosmic coincidence if our perceptual faculties were so acute that they represented all facets of reality to us. If in your experience you interact with forces which act as though they were sentient, it seems natural to believe they are sentient. In some reports, the evidence of their sentience surpasses that of animals.

    On keeping sanity: here are two tricks.

    First, look through the occult literature and observe the contradictions. They are abundant. My explanation for this is not that the occult lacks validity, but that we need to make a strong distinction between occult experiences and explanations of occult experiences. Our experiences are, I think, much more reliable than our explanations of them (although one must be on the look-out for liars, of whom I suspect there are many).

    Second, think about the weaknesses of occultists. I have never met one who would not die from a bullet through the head or not have their ass kicked by a Muay Thai artist. In my opinion, occult power tends to work subtly and over a long-term. Nor are occultists particularly ethically, religiously, politically, etc, savvy: too often prideful occultists play pretend philosopher-king. Humility and sanity are often intertwined.
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    "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

    "Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person... has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow." - Colossians 2:18-19

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    I have spoken to experienced Magicians and people involved in Occult, they say a lot of people go quite mental after being involved in occult practices for a while. They usually give up after 5-10 years.

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