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    the robe is to differentiate the magic act from the mundane act. personally I like to conduct my rituals nude. black, brown, and white are good colors for robes. some may even tailor there robes with symbols and specific meanings in color and design for there works.

    chanting is more mysticism(or religious magic) in its nature.
    Man is invited to question, discover, explore,
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkkhhh555 View Post
    i thought this was my research,i thought wrong

    Again not trying to be indelicate but, yes you did. Asking questions is great but, honestly your questions are not very good. Do we wear black robes and chant? That's movie magic for the most part, though I'm not saying that no magical tradition has black ritual robes and chanting. It's like asking a fireman whether he wears his turn-out gear to bed. If you were completely and totally ignorant about firemen it might be a good question but, most people over the age of six know the answer to that question. Your questions are very very basic. It's as if you came into a forum where everyone was discussing calculus and said "Hey guys 2+2=4 right?"

    I really do recommend you read some books on the subject. You don't have to jump right into Israel Regardie, or Crowley, or Levi. I'd encourage you not to. You might feel more comfortable with, and I mean this seriously, Silver Ravenwolf. I despise the woman and her writing but, she is to magic what first grade is to general education. Some of the information you're looking for you simply do not have the basic knowledge to comprehend and make use of it. I remember a post in one thread you made where you despaired over the lack of spells and thought we were holding out on you. Granted there weren't many spells in that thread but, even if there were you wouldn't have been able to get them to function because you lack the proper prerequisites.

    I'm really not trying to jump your case. You're welcome here but, I think that your time spent here would be more rewarding if you did a bit of reading and research on your own. It seems like I'm constantly popping on here to find you posting something odd or asking a question so completely basic that I honestly have to wonder if you aren't trolling because it defies reason that anyone on an occult forum could be that ignorant of the subject they want to discuss. Ignorance isn't a bad thing unless you refuse to replace it with knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero View Post
    . . . chanting is more mysticism(or religious magic) in its nature.
    Whereas I would agree that today 'chanting' is seen aligned with religious and mystical aspects. I would like to point out that the ancient and most magickal Egyptian religion was based on Heka, which is the art of Vibrational High Magick.

    Mantra is a form of trance, a tool of Heka, and when done correctly modulates the dissociated trance plane by slightly varying the underlying trance generating loop and in turn awakening the deepest, darkest recesses of the psyche where lies our Daemon.

    The Kheperu Mantra is highly intoxicating and extremely powerful, echoing the al-khem-ical attributes of Kheprian Manifestation which involve Apophis/chaos - Khepri/Transformation - Maat/Balance restored at a evolved spiritual level.



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    very true though the Egyptians never differentiated magic, religion, or mundane all were one to them. I am in agreement with this ideology and conduct, though it is not widely thought of so I pointed to mysticism as religious magic thus putting it in a magical category but also religious.
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    I think that's a bit off in reaction since that's not what was meant. Don't just read these forums. Some of the discussions are going to be pointless because you have no context for it. Seriously, order some books. Read them. You say you're curious but, you have obviously never even read a single book on the topic. I think that's odd given that a great deal of magical teaching and thought we have today was passed on via the written word. If you're not a big reader then a serious study of occult topics might not be what you want to do because it requires a good deal of reading and a better than average vocabulary. I don't usually do this but, check here. You will find all kinds of texts there that you can peruse to your heart's content although some of them may still be a bit beyond your level of understanding. Most of the really interesting stuff is in the more difficult books, without the basics you don't get to understand much. This is a rather basic book that might help you some. The only thing I can think of more basic than that is Silver Ravenwolf's stuff which is fine for the most basic of basics and rubbish for most anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkkhhh555 View Post
    thats the problem ,everything is almost beyond my understanding,and i get impatient with books,i ordered the goetia a couple of weeks ago,i was so excited but then it wasnt what i thought it would be i got bored with it the first day,ill be alright ,ill see what u put on the here word,thank you
    The occult, by definition, is a scholarly pursuit. You have to be comfortable reading and researching because about 70% of the time that's what you do, or at least I find my time is divided up that way with 30% actual ritual work and practice. If you're looking for a cook book style magical work then you'll be disappointed. The Goetia is about as formulaic as they come. It more or less gives you a step by step how to on ceremonial evocation. The only way it could be simpler is if it broke it down into a cook book format but, you won't find many of those type of books although, and once again I can't believe I'm recommending her for the third time here, Silver Ravenwolf does break down her rituals into a formula that is easy to follow. She also is an atrocious author with a bad vocabulary so she isn't difficult to read. While I hate her and most of what she writes I've seen many people begin a rewarding journey with her books as their first step. Almost no one sticks with her interpretation of Wicca or magic in general but, it gives you the proper frame of reference to start reading other books.

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    I'm still looking for a Magician/Occultist for guidance. I know one who is very good but I'm not 100% happy with him.

    I'm looking to make things happen in reality. Physical reality.
    To me, magic and spirituality is a very individualistic endeavor and a path of self discovery. Meaning it cannot be taught like how one can teach another person how to build a house. There is a reason why often the mystic is stereo typed to being a loner. It is too intuitive to be passed down as a technical ability.

    The most you can get out of us is guidance.

    The best advice I will ever give you before you go looking for some one to guide you is read up about how to spot a false teacher. I would recommend reading "Cults in our Midst" by Margaret Thaler Singer before any thing else.

    As for the Physical reality thing? Others may disagree with me on this, but I don't think magic is intended to affect objective reality .

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    I find people looking for a teacher a bit off putting when they dont have any reason other than "magic is cool" I'd like to know the reasoning behind why a few of you are looking into learning such things

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