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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobMagick View Post
    hm'm is it okay if the lbrp is slavishly performed?

    I do the Lbrp in my imagination but I find that when doing it especially when I visualize the four pentagrams at their quarters, my imagination is sort of shaky.
    So my visualization is also shaky, sort of like a dolly and panning perspective on the whole ritual, and it needs lots of improvement. I'm so on the go these days. = \

    So far I don't know if this has any impact? Are there any consequences/drawbacks?
    You want to do this with as best ability as you can muster!

    Theres probably nothing wrong with your visualisation skills. Take for example you are looking out a window then turn to face the door the window is still there right!LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by redhand View Post
    You want to do this with as best ability as you can muster!

    Theres probably nothing wrong with your visualisation skills. Take for example you are looking out a window then turn to face the door the window is still there right!LOL
    Well if you are suggesting that by tracing the circle and stuff, the pentagrams are "there" . . . well . . . in my mind's eye and as to physical eyes nope. I read that Aleister Crowley encourages continued practice until the pentagrams are visible to an observer, if there were one. In my case, I do the whole lbrp either slavishly or dramatically. But I don't think I'm touching anything on expanded senses you know, which is my goal at the moment - dabbling with magick and all.

    So far, I like doing the ritual, but I must be lacking something in order to touch on the astral aspect of ceremonial magick.

    Is there something amiss? Wrong? ???

    I will still keep on doing this in my imagination/mental/spare time.

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    it takes a little time for the complete " vision " occurs in the visualization process

    just know that it is happening and it will manifest for you

    first picture yourself even try to touch a wall in the visualization, from this point see yourself doing the LBRP ( feel yourself in another place where you are visualizing yourself as you do the LBRP )

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEternitas View Post
    Astral vision takes place in that often overlooked and amazing human faculty called the IMAGINATION. Imaginary and astral visions aren't seen with the physical eye. I'm sure you are doing just fine.
    What are your visualizations of the four Archangels like?
    The archangels? Raphael in yellow colors, anything yellow with him clutching a rod. Gabriel in blue and her cup slightly tilted as if to pour contents, Michael and a sword drawn. And finally Uriel in brown and her golden pentagram or sometimes a blue one.

    I try to pause and feel the element assigned to each quarter also.

    And as for the "In the column/within me shines the six rayed star", I add " above and below me" before continuing to "shines the six rayed star".

    I try to make it so exciting so that my whole version of the ritual isn't as similar to a Church mass, or I might bore myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobMagick View Post
    Well if you are suggesting that by tracing the circle and stuff, the pentagrams are "there" . . . well . . . in my mind's eye and as to physical eyes nope. I read that Aleister Crowley encourages continued practice until the pentagrams are visible to an observer, if there were one. In my case, I do the whole lbrp either slavishly or dramatically. But I don't think I'm touching anything on expanded senses you know, which is my goal at the moment - dabbling with magick and all.

    So far, I like doing the ritual, but I must be lacking something in order to touch on the astral aspect of ceremonial magick.

    Is there something amiss? Wrong? ???

    I will still keep on doing this in my imagination/mental/spare time.
    All things improve with time and practice! Knowing that they are there is the most important and don't get caught up in thinking that you must see it with your physical eyes there are a great many magicians who can't visualise like that but, they are still very successful in their practice. I would also watch what you believe in Crowley's statements, he had a way of messing with peoples minds that are not quite productive!LOL

    Take your time relax and focus on your rituals and with practice it will all come together!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhand View Post
    All things improve with time and practice! Knowing that they are there is the most important and don't get caught up in thinking that you must see it with your physical eyes there are a great many magicians who can't visualise like that but, they are still very successful in their practice. I would also watch what you believe in Crowley's statements, he had a way of messing with peoples minds that are not quite productive!LOL

    Take your time relax and focus on your rituals and with practice it will all come together!
    Okay. Thanks for the tip, are there any other things to watch out for, Crowley speaking?

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    The visualization part is the most important one, as Crowley stated.

    Has anyone tried to put the upward pentagrams in the four corners and the down pointing ones in the edges inbetween? How does it feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank N. Stein View Post
    The visualization part is the most important one, as Crowley stated.

    Has anyone tried to put the upward pentagrams in the four corners and the down pointing ones in the edges inbetween? How does it feel?
    Does that mean NE,SE,NW, and so on tracing? Interesting I may not try it though hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobMagick View Post
    Well if you are suggesting that by tracing the circle and stuff, the pentagrams are "there" . . . well . . . in my mind's eye and as to physical eyes nope. I read that Aleister Crowley encourages continued practice until the pentagrams are visible to an observer, if there were one. In my case, I do the whole lbrp either slavishly or dramatically. But I don't think I'm touching anything on expanded senses you know, which is my goal at the moment - dabbling with magick and all.

    So far, I like doing the ritual, but I must be lacking something in order to touch on the astral aspect of ceremonial magick.

    Is there something amiss? Wrong? ???

    I will still keep on doing this in my imagination/mental/spare time.
    Greetings lil Brother!

    This may be of some help
    Eight Lectures On Yoga - Preface & Table of Contents

    also Book Four - Part 1

    some practice with asana yoga and pranayama may assist. As well as begining moderate practices in chapter CHAPTER V DHARANA
    make sure and keep a record of all experiments! and pace yourself. We have Eternity. Its not a race.

    Regards to you and yours,
    Praxis

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    Quote Originally Posted by nechesh View Post
    This question confuses me. I have been doing the LBRP for the past 22 years and i have never belonged to any order, GD or otherwise.
    This is an interesting point. While the LBRP is well published, it is primarily a GD ritual (though there are traces of it in Levi's material). A person can perform the LBRP and get great results withouth being in a GD Order or even connected with the GD current, but the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram takes on a completely new level for those that have been performing it for years and are then initiated into the GD.

    In LVX,
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