Wait does spiritual rebirth mean reincarnation?I was of the opinion that once the Thaumiel is reached the person goes outside of creation and the cosmos.Some even say godhood waits at the end.
Wait does spiritual rebirth mean reincarnation?I was of the opinion that once the Thaumiel is reached the person goes outside of creation and the cosmos.Some even say godhood waits at the end.
There is a similarity here to the Underworld tradition except we don't consider it evil. Evil is just a label. Frequently Kabbalistic writings suggest that evil is simply the manifestation of the Sephirah Geburah (Severity) taken too far and separated from its proper balancing power of Chesed. The sense of the Qlippoth being a natural part of existence reaches its zenith in the Zoharic comment that everything is a "shell" or "husk" when seen from a higher level of existence, and the kernel in the shell when seen from a lower one.
I would recommend that you study the names of the Twelve Princes and Tribes of the Qlippoth well and, the Averse Sephiroth, contained in the Seven Palaces, and these Sephiroth have their place from behind the holiness of the World of Assiah. Other than that just take your time while working through this area.
I'll strongly second that 'be careful' suggestion.
The Qliphoth are, by their very nature, dark, scary, messed up, WRONG places, from most modes of perception. Of course, one of the strongest (IMHO) reasons for experimenting with them in the first place is to better understand and expand one's perceptions.
A strong foundation in grounding oneself and centering cannot be over-valued.
Stay calm, be patient, and do not allow yourself to hurry.
Always, always, always keep in mind that it is okay to back off for a while and reset emotionally.
Important to note is that in the IAO formulae, rebirth happens only after death. So yes in a way the end result of such workings is spiritual rebirth however the cost can be very high. Just something to keep in mind.
Yes, there would be physical death involved.
Hey . . . small price to pay for becoming a God LOL
Hello Ashnook Isn't the IAO formulae not applicable to the new aeon according to Crowley.I think things work differently in this aeon I am not sure about this myself.
Now I know why its called the tree of death .EtuMalku have you worked with the qlippoth?
Only in a musical setting . . . otherwise, I don't mess with that stuff
You are very wise. I once looked at the subject and decided there had to be a better way to be reborn a God. It was enough just to look at the information, and I decided twas not for me.
Last edited by Lady Dunsany; 01-27-2009 at 03:12 PM.
I was speaking metaphorically. Often for the magus the birth, death, and rebirth cycle is an emotional as well as a spiritual cycle. Any pathwork will bring a person through something similar to that. Walking the qlippoth will bring a person much hell. The question is whether or not a person is ready for that. For those who work the tree of life non-hermetically, that is to say those who work it from the strict judaic stand point, there is an age requirment for walking the qlippoth. Generally speaking the qlippoth is walked after many years of working with the tree of life. It is an exceedingly dangerous undertaking and if a person has not been initiated into a system completly I would not recommend they do it.
Nix, I do not know the answer the your question. If indeed we live in a new aeon and the IAO formulae is null, and I do not think that is the case but if so, I will go out on a limb and say that still the qlippoth working will bring the magus to a place emotionally and spiritually that they may not want to be.
I am not one who puts much stock in "oooh that is too dangerous so do not do it." On the contrary I think experimentation is good. However in this discussion I will be the voice in the background that says "if you want to do it, good luck. Be careful though, its going to be a bumpy ride."
The idea is that the qlippoth represents imbalance. If a person feels they have developed their Will enough to sustain prolonged periods of that then go for it. Otherwise it could be prudent to put such endevours in a basket and set them aside for a time. There is an old saying that goes something like this "magick may make you a God, but must likely it will just make you insane." The promise of such undertakings is Godhead, at least that is the promise to many. Remember though Gilgamesh's quest for immortality, or Godhead. It was wrought with quite a bit of destruction and personal turmoil for him.
-Ashnook
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