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    Ashnook that's one good reply.I have to put my thinking cap on again and think this qlippoth thing through.

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    I have a question. I noticed that Lilith is listed. I always thought she was misunderstood, and was not considered evil. Is she a different entity as she is listed as the Queen of the Night.

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    Lilith is not evil, she is strong and proud. She signifies the Goddess cults, she would not lie beneath Adam (his first wife and his equal) thus God made Eve.
    Another attempt by the Abrahamic religions to squelch any Pagan Goddess religions.

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    I thought so. Thank You EtuMalku.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EtuMalku View Post
    Lilith is not evil, she is strong and proud. She signifies the Goddess cults, she would not lie beneath Adam (his first wife and his equal) thus God made Eve.
    Another attempt by the Abrahamic religions to squelch any Pagan Goddess religions.
    Whether or not the hebrew lilith is an evil entity is a question whose answer depends upon one's point of view and interpretation of the early hebrew texts concerning her, however the entity or class of entities that Lilith comes from is quite negative in nature. Lilith is the hebrew pronunciation of the mesopotamian demon Lilitu, or group of demons. I say group because often in mesopotamian myth the name of a demon generally denotes a particular demon and all demons in that same category. We might think of this as a group of demons called the lilitu whose ruler is Lilitu. Lilitu, often associated with Lamashtu and indeed may be one in the same, was said to rob women of their unborn children, cause women to become barren, cause sickness in men, and last but not least destory newborns. Simon's Necronomicon suggests that she demanded 100s of sacrifices of new borns of ancient cities. Though we should not necessarily take Simon's work as historical fact, Simon's work presents to us a very valid point conerncing Lilitu...Not an entity we may want to spend a great deal of time with on a friday night at the bar.

    In defense of the Lamashtu or Lilitu the ancients were known to employ depictions and statues of the winged demon Pazuzu. Pazuzu is in the babylonian tradition the prince of all demons and and a very dubious character. This causes us to wonder, how horrible did the ancients view Lilitu to be that they decide to turn to the prince of all demons to shield them against her? There is an ancient tablet which if you google "pazuzu lilitu" or "pazuzu lamashtu" you will come across which depicts a group of priests calling upon pazuzu to drive her from a sick man. The bottom of the tablet shows Pazuzu driving her back into the underworld.

    I am well aware of the modernist neo-pagan and quasi femenist view that Lilith represents the architypical strong woman. I make this reply not to be argumentative but rather to simply paint an alternate picture. I know there are many modern occultists who view Lilith as being a deity very close to them and I in no way mean to demean that. I personally feel there are far better examples in mythology of strong and rebellious female deities who refused to submit to men and who indeed have much more reputable backgrounds than Lilith, however that is only my personal opinion and I project that on no one.

    We have on the one hand the hebrew notion of her representing woman rebelling against male oppression. On the other hand we have the mesopotamian view, which is not only the far older but also the original view, of her as a demon of genocide toward pregnant women and new born babies. We must note the fact that the mesopotamian tradition outdates the hebrew by 1000+ years. We must also take note of the fact that it is no secret that many hewbrew myths were based in part upon older mesopotamian myths in bastardized form. There is a reason why the hebrew Lilith is considered part of the Qlippoth and I submit that it had nothing to do with her not wanting to be on bottom.

    -Ashnook

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