Thread: Feeling guilty

We all have a Core self/ Will/ Higher self, whatever you want to call it..Loose this in your Mind/Ego etc., you're in big trouble.
Find your radar and things usually click back in place. It doesn't mean life will get easy, but less confusing as you are following your True self and the debate, analyzing oneself becomes less of a burden.

Originally Posted by Light

We all have a Core self/ Will/ Higher self, whatever you want to call it..Loose this in your Mind/Ego etc., you're in big trouble.
Find your radar and things usually click back in place. It doesn't mean life will get easy, but less confusing as you are following your True self and the debate, analyzing oneself becomes less of a burden.

Yes.. but generally the selfish separate self is going to conflict with your higher self.. I don't even think acknowledging the struggle really makes it any easier...

It's like the difference between taking a nice hot bath surrounded with candles and incense... nice and comfortable...
or
Your water heater is busted, and you're forced to take an ice cold shower in the middle of winter.

And then you can admit that these two situations are different... but naturally -- 10 to 1, people are going to pick the top, right?

You can say that the higher self is constantly trying to divert your attention to the important things... but that doesn't mean your selfish separate self is going to make it less of a burden... you might even go through the trouble of convincing yourself that the higher self is bullshit from random time to random time... just to keep your selfish side happy.

I almost am convinced that it only gets *more* confusing.. regardless... ignorance in a way, really is bliss... knowledge has a way of working against itself.

So best of luck to MarkAntony, you really do have a unique situation... just like Isabeau said... one step at a time.

It could also be that your mind has a desire to make those lies a reality and thus sub-consciously seeks to create them. So much is sub-consciously picked up whenever we have interactions with people and you may have been giving off the signal that they should commit suicide.

It could also be that you are in touch with fluctuations in the aether like Isabeau said, or your creativity and emotion is so strong that you create thought-forms capable of such acts.

Some people also tend to accidentally Will their thoughts to occur without realizing it. In these cases, the person has a strong Will and doesn't know how to control it.

Just something to mull over in your head.

Originally Posted by captainrackham

Yes.. but generally the selfish separate self is going to conflict with your higher self.. I don't even think acknowledging the struggle really makes it any easier...

It's like the difference between taking a nice hot bath surrounded with candles and incense... nice and comfortable...
or
Your water heater is busted, and you're forced to take an ice cold shower in the middle of winter.

And then you can admit that these two situations are different... but naturally -- 10 to 1, people are going to pick the top, right?

You can say that the higher self is constantly trying to divert your attention to the important things... but that doesn't mean your selfish separate self is going to make it less of a burden... you might even go through the trouble of convincing yourself that the higher self is bullshit from random time to random time... just to keep your selfish side happy.

I almost am convinced that it only gets *more* confusing.. regardless... ignorance in a way, really is bliss... knowledge has a way of working against itself.

There are many ways of seeing the ego/ mind not just as a selfish side. We have many egos actually..The child, adult, the teenager etc...
All these personality traits needs to be balanced, as if one of them gets neglected or overly indulged, an imbalance will occur. Being present in your higher self, you end up being the observer of all these traits and being in charge of the child you, the adult you etc..this is where your ability to balance yourself comes in. It takes a lot of work and not many understand this concept easily, but getting there , makes life so much easier..

Originally Posted by Light

There are many ways of seeing the ego/ mind not just as a selfish side. We have many egos actually..The child, adult, the teenager etc...
All these personality traits needs to be balanced, as if one of them gets neglected or overly indulged, an imbalance will occur. Being present in your higher self, you end up being the observer of all these traits and being in charge of the child you, the adult you etc..this is where your ability to balance yourself comes in. It takes a lot of work and not many understand this concept easily, but getting there , makes life so much easier..

I like this thought from a standpoint... I actually remember thinking this exact thing for the longest time, but I always had more of theory that it involved emotions instead of phases of a person's life.
Like the associations with these phases, you tend to have more emotion -- specific kinds with each one.

But when you find your higher-self, who's the driver of the vehicle that is your body -- catering to the wants and needs of memories, desires, and even perfectly reasonable different aspects of an 'ego' -- which in it's very raw nature is selfish in every sense of the word...

It's an ego putting a spin on wants. In a sense.. an ego denoting the want to express many different facets of itself -- and convincing yourself -- which happens all the time in a mask of doubt, that not feeding it is in fact an imbalance.

Not feeding the ego causes you to lash out at yourself. People who generally have what they want are sated in most every sense, don't worry about the same problems that a person with wants, desires and ambitions suffer from.

A wealthy person's ego might simply fear that it can loose everything that it's acquired or given for example.

Catering to these needs simply makes one's selfish side agreeable. There's nothing to bitch about, so let it ride.

Test it... start taking all the un-necessary things out of you life, all the extra goodies, the fast food, the dining out, the fun activities, watch the ego start to lose it... and make you convince yourself that you need it after all...

You might find yourself saying that entertainment is a necessity... it really isn't... but you'll convince yourself that it is.

Your ego is your worst enemy -- creating all kinds of diversions and distractions to keep you down here and not evolving your mind as early as you can.

There is an infinity of expressions in a person -- just like you said Light -- all different and some are better than others...
sating the ego will always make life hella easier. You're not fighting yourself anymore.

But this stalemate is going to cause a lack of growth inside. Fighting it makes it stronger, feeding it more.

The only way to end it best... is to 'starve' the ego to death... by selfless acts of love.

yeah stuff gets off the subject, but it's still indirectly to the point - which is how the convo gets there in the first place.

You can't tell a person to do something like forgive themselves and expect them to do it, and I or anyone else on a damn forum sure as hell not responsible for making sure it happens.

It's up to him, and not you or anyone -- which is why you have 'indirect' advice to encourage him to procreative ways of thinking...

hello MarkAntony

this could be merely a Coincidense, but if you do truely believe your thoughts some how aided this then allow yourself to grieve, you will come to acceptance and move on.

but if you accept you aided in this do not allow the experience to be wasted, learn from it and evolve. you have learned your thoughts alone can affect a change in the world, the small push here and there from your thoughts may create a snow ball like effect.

i hope you come to the conclusion that it was just coincidental, if not we must try to learn from every experience.

Hi guys, Im soooo sorry, i have been away and didnt reply before i left. Ive been carefully reading all your replies, and i thank you for all your thoughts. It seems theres a lot of interesting things that i can learn from sharing this story. I simply associated what happened to other things, but i guess he made his own destiny. Sorry my reply is so short, im not a person of many words, but i truly apreciate your input in this, it made me think about many things :-)

I write a lot of fiction where I change the characters in certain ways so they only contain parts of myself or other people. I find it to be a helpful way of working through my feelings, espeacialy when I am conflicted with myself about something.

I have done a few things I felt guilty about later. Wishing someone dead, for example, when they died, and wishing someone else harm. But now I'm not dwelling on all the negative feelings anymore or feeling like I have to give someone else a big black cloud of negativity. I've learned to turn more of those negative emotions for positive purposes.