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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany View Post
    You have to look at it this way personality is the lower self and if you have not striven to make yourself better or just evolve in your evolutionary process, when you die, your shell still retains the product of your personality. I have been working with spirits good and bad and in every realm since I was five and there are so many layers to a person and so many realms that spirits abide in I would never be able to explain it to you, unless you actually come and visit yourself. This is why we run into the monsters of the ID when we astral travel. As I said my house sits on a on vortex and the spirits move in and out and are very agreeable. The spirits I had a time with were a man who murdered two little girls and a woman. We managed to send the little girls and the woman to the other side, but the man would not go. He was a nasty bugger and it took two weeks. Now I can only tell you what I know and have experienced but I can not make you believe me, although I am not the only one who has experienced the phenomena at my house. I choose to live here and while it is not the most peaceful it is interesting. We all have our beliefs and truths, as it should be, it is what makes us individuals. I am only speaking from my work with spirits and such.
    Thank you for your insight/views here, I am still working on a complete take on these things. Maybe the shells and monsters you mention are quite separate from any Immortal potentialities and have no other use than the one they served whilst alive, being "character loops" trapped between states, and any "life force" being dispersed back to the "source" - however one cares to perceive this. I am undecided here.
    Also, maybe there is a part of the mind that is Immortal by default and it would then be a case of integrating a fully developed Self with this "spark of life" What we do in magick to explore the "many layers" that you mention would be this development, and to draw them out and temper them into a single vector would enable a consciousness to see and resonate with this "life force"/inherent permanence etc. without the distortions and abstractions of a fragmented psyche, and enable a drawing in and an increase of this "life force" (or an expansion of consciousness within its realms), eventually establishing the balance needed to transfer consciousness into the realms of the Immortals upon physical death, bringing about such a continuation of this "diamond self" - or at least of its unique wyrd/destiny etc.? I suppose this would make the Immortal and the afterlife one and the same though.
    No doubt any more personal takes I have will be fleshed out and developed further as time goes bye
    Your experiences are fascinating Lady Dunsany, and when I skip over the pond this year I may take you up on that visit

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    Suppose for a moment we begin by defining Truth. Truth is Ultimate Reality. It may contain change within it, as a human being's blood circulates through the body, but as the flow of blood does not render someone other than human, so likewise the nature of Truth, even containing change, remains immutable - absolute. It is the non temperary nature of Truth that most of us are acquainted with, yet how much in this universe is truly permanent?

    We call the opposite of truth a lie. A variant of lie is deception, and a form of deception is illusion, or delusion. If you watch a snow flake land, you realize pretty quickly its transitory - impermanent. A Snow flake is not immortal. Mosquitos live only a little longer than snowflakes - several days at best, clearly not immortal, but in not lasting, do they also contain an element of deception? An illusion?

    In the grand scheme of things, the answer is yes. A mosquito from 20 years ago is probably in 20,000 or more places today, in Soda, in gas tanks, in some little boy's arm, and the air you and I breath. Trees live longer but end up burned down after lightning strikes or converted into Lumber. They come to pass. It is said anything which has a beginning, must have an end. For this reason, all mortals are fated to die.

    This is where the logic becomes interesting. Some belief systems teach transmigration of the soul, pre existence, or past lives. Some even teach the spirit within a body - or perhaps the spirit creating the body - is immortal, and eternal. If this is the case (and it would certainly account for the strange talents such as Mozart) then while our physical bodies begin by being born, and end with death, our experiences of mortality have a beginning at birth and...

    END, with death. If mortality has a beginning, then Mortality has an end. But if immortality has no beginning, then immortality has no end, and Life - as a mortal being, is merely the greatest illusion of all.

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    I am new to the occult but have always felt a pull in this direction. I am particularly interested in Wicca, Druids and Qabala. My Grandmother is Welsh and I am from Devon. I have a good splattering of Celt in me.I firmly believe in life after death. I have had experiences that have lead me to begin to explore the occult. I am not going to mess with anything I dont know about though. I would be asking for trouble!

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    Plenty of experience with shells and monsters me, Lady Dunsany, when I was under a belief in such waifs and strays of the nexus that is, they usually avoided any tricky business though, especially once sent spinning back off to their shoddy little "existence". Truth and its sister Correctness are occasional bedfellows for me also, like random belief, but maybe the former would have trouble on the topic of immortality and in some other areas of theoretical "occult discussion" Nevertheless, I am learning much..............and look forward to further revelations on this topic.
    Last edited by Strider; 04-14-2009 at 01:15 AM.

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    damn I must have lost a post in here...I have a patchy inet connect and lost the scientific explanation post I made
    my universal theory of everything that puts the entire scientific american book catalog to shame is that this was a giant male space insect that died/was killed/put here by humanoids (read: the size of humans) to serve as a moon system of the entire rest of the universe, or at least this section of it, and there is one for every "universe". Its body took up the whole of the solar system, and as it curled up in a spiral, it died. see the antenna in the outer ring systems? the cyclodon being male explains the panspermia theory of life, also why microorganisms exist on earth, which kill every human and panspermia is why why life arose from this where water could exist when it coiled up and died.
    any way the black hole we can see from hubble looks like a coil cylinder spiral, exactly what tobacco does to dna, dna being what makes you you as every dna is differant. tobacco therefore just is a vacumn that sucks into the next life, like dna radar.
    sure it has been proven there is an afterlife, just look at Ramacharaka's Life beyond death book, that is not the point. the point is how as isolated as we are in the universe how can we incarnate somewhere else, as it obviously can never happen here again, as we do not have mechanical regenerative capacity? well they steal eggs from the female to make new nitrogen charged worlds. they have large machines that build homes automaticly, although they are manned by indentured karma servents, as well as the workers at alien boeing since there are so many worlds there. they turn things to stone, create oceans and introduce plant seed. before populating them with the next generation of humans as a favor for living out a mishapped life on earth. the pope and Christianity just want to make the earth a better place in kind of a purist way, and in this light, many christian things are ineffective, as suffering exists sure, but earth should be a better place and many lives don't work out.
    the theory for earth's existance is either a rock was here and space dust collected or that pace dust just collected. f that, I can explain this more if you have any questions, gotta quit publishing this for free!&@$%!
    I have seen a thousand thousand civilizations rise and fall upon the Mother of All Things. As pipes play, echoing off the mountains and across the Ocean, until it fades at the edge of time, the end of All... - book of the gate called pan

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    Chronazon is God

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    Chronazon I believe to be the alien scientist who didn't agree with the perhaps necessary creation of earth. he sets people up with the afterlife. he should be revered in Arabia, and especially everywhere. he blocks mages paths to ascension because we are on earth, our ancestors still exist practicing earth magic on the old planets and he proves it because earth thoughts are grounded in a mostly unplesant way, but always teach every otherworldly being something with just what happens
    he might also create Heaven and hell for those who lived out their lives on earth
    I know its hard
    I have seen a thousand thousand civilizations rise and fall upon the Mother of All Things. As pipes play, echoing off the mountains and across the Ocean, until it fades at the edge of time, the end of All... - book of the gate called pan

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