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    Default Do ethics really exist?

    Do ethics honestly exist in the realm of the Occult? To me it sounds like a clever trick to fool most people into doing "good". Just like the Christian concept of Hell.

    Most of the Occult has to do with the simple act of change and one does so by merely "creating" their own reality in a sense.

    Well does that three-fold law actually exist? I don't think it does and I cannot logically conclude that Karma actually exists...for I find that if I do not will it nor believe it then it does not exist and it cannot harm me. I find that this way of thinking works with ideas that are clearly abstract.

    Many different cultures have their own definitions of what is good and evil so I therefore come to the conclusion that what is good and evil is purely subjective.

    I've come to this way of thinking because I've done my fair share of "evil" deeds (I say evil because society would consider it evil, where as I consider it beneficial) in my past and as long as I keep my head on my shoulders then I see no folly in my distant future...or perhaps there has been quite a lot of unfortunate events in my life, but I fail to see them as unfortunate.

    Really the whole subject matter just ends up getting confusing because there isn't such a thing as evil and good unless you think it exists.

    So what do you all think?

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    Karma is a human invention, humans create karma for other humans who they believe to be weaker than themselves, It is the same with the threefold law. There is no good and evil, only intention and choices. Make good choices and you will have that much more reason to be proud of yourself. Make inconsiderate or faulty choices and there are often consequences of some kind or another, but not always. Who is to say what is a good or bad choice? That is our call, but sometimes we are called on it.
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    YouTube - karma part one

    Copy paste.

    There are two more parts as well if you care to view.

    YouTube - karma part two

    YouTube - karma part three

    Enjoy the wisdom of Uncle Chuckie!
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    In my opinion, there is no good or evil, or even karma. Nothing stops me from destroying everyone who ever wrongs me, as long as I can avoid the legal eye while doing it. I do not do this though, nor do I advise doing it. Why? Because humans have their own way of working these things out.

    The only reason we have order is because a law we invented governs people. Only words on paper keep us from living by a ruthless law of bloodshed. If I am wronged, but do not lash out in violence, then I am more likely to be left in one piece when I wrong someone else. I have standards of what I will and will not do, but they are judged by me alone, and not some societal code, nor religious one.

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    Morality/ethics are what you demand of yourself. I you don't require much of yourself roll in the mud for all I care. You'll be missing out on some of the best things.

    If you think the best you can get is the sneaky pleasure of duping others or stealing what you want or getting an easy way out or doing something to hurt others--and totally not getting busted--is the best you can demand of yourself that's really sad.

    I require a lot of myself and that's all the morality I need.
    If I am the only one, there's no proof of me.

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    I don't see the reason to be angry at the concept of a singular creator god. I think the problem comes when people confuse this idea of a creator god and then really personify it too the point where he is like Santa Claus, knows when you are sleeping, knows when you are awake etc etc, but still keeping this very personified approach, assuming that he has this absolute standard of morals that applies to everyone.

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    Nohone, if karma does exist you may be able to get away with your sins this lifetime but in your next reincarnation you may face karma's wrath.
    Evil & good does exist, at least in my opionon though it can be subjective. For example, if I could cheat someone who is really really rich & get away with it, I might do it but I will not steal from someone who is poor. So yes good & evil is subjective but there are somethings which are just evil, something like rape or abuse. I don't think something like rape or abuse can be justified by saying that 'I did it coz I wanted it & I can get away with it'.
    "Here I sit, a foolish bore
    no wiser than I was before
    No dog can live like this
    knowledge gained is far from bliss
    So I resolved my soul to free
    through blackest magic and dark alchemy"

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    Transcendental beings are defined as unobservable, hence unknowable - hence all belief in them is unjustifiable. That doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a transcendental being, just positing claims regarding its nature is a vacuous path towards discerning their nature.

    IF there is a supreme being. GOOD GOD, people. There IS a supreme being. Look at the beautiful sky and the majestic mountains. Good Lord. Doesn't ANYONE believe in the ALL MIGHTY God, anymore? Jeeze.
    While we're throwing ambiguous concepts around - no one appreciates beauty for beauty's sake anymore, either.

    And in answer to the thread's original question - if anyone can apply a morality to occult concepts, a system of ethics necessarily exists.
    Last edited by Plarkenstorf; 07-17-2009 at 04:38 AM.

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    Nah, transcendental is defined as being outside our reality, in philosophy anyway - transcendental gods are a priori unknowable.

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    one could make several relatively sound theories regarding the nature of said "transcendental" being or beings.
    The multiplicity here means differentiation between said interpretations is just irrational prejudice.

    Why quest for hidden knowledge if there is an end to such knowledge?
    Hidden? Depends by what, by the limitations of our logic (which are irrelevant unless we're talking about metaphysics) - assertions are pretty meaningless about these concepts defined outside of our reality. Subjectively however, people find value in the divine or transcendental. The imperative for the quest is subjective... It could be anything and valid.

    There is probably a problem of definition here - no man could've forseen how batshit insane electron diffraction is in the bronze age, that wasn't part of their reality. What reality is, is essentially the extent of what is known, when something is defined as beyond knowable, there is no sense in prying out knowledge from it with reason.

    If however, you are defining these things as 'knowable' in your worldview, no one can stop you from studying them. Transcendental means transcendental, not "currently transcendental."
    Last edited by Plarkenstorf; 07-18-2009 at 04:46 AM.

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