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    Default I need to know - is magic Real?

    -long-

    About a year and a half ago I read Post-modern magic by patrick dunn. having been raised, and continuing to live with, fundamentalist christian parents, this was all very, very new to me. i had none of their faith, but the mindset of spiritual warfare from a Christians point of view was unfortunately mine. A lot of the stuff in there seemed interesting and cool, and i started working on it..

    Later, I read Book 4 part 1, by uncle crowley. the approach hit me hard. he started from the basic condition of existence, and took what we know and explained how we might know, and do more. I read every piece of crowley that i could get my hands on, which was a lot; it's all practically memorized. i've been reading non-stop since i was three - i can probably recall the exact phrasing of every page of every book on magic i own.

    at this point my ambition in life is to enter the A.'.A.'. and become a magus or die trying. i completely absorbed EVERYTHING on qabalistic syncretic magic. i began to work torwards my initiation, with asana.

    Magic in theory in practice impressed me a GREAT deal. it's opening section, and especially, "the A.'.A.'. does not intend to imply that any experiences or entities encountered are objectively real, but merely that by doing certain things certain results shall follow." this became a important phrase to me, for the reasons which prompt me to take this current quest.

    (note: at this point, My dad found my records, and threatened to kick me out if i practiced any form of meditation whatsoever, period. if it was not for my dog i would have walked out and been homeless while i worked torwards Dhyana. But i love my dog, and she would have come to no good end had i left - she would have pined away from sorrow at my loss had my dad not killed her. this is unacceptable to me.)

    I found Liber Null and psychonaut. fucking devoured it with savor. purchased liber kaos. was stunned. at this point, my ideas reached a premature version of their current crystallization.

    I Do Not Believe. let me state that. like mulder - i want to believe. but it is for this very reason, for the value with which i hold the possibility of the existence of a medium for what you might call magic, that i must be as utterly ruthless and thorough as possible in my confirmation of certain key facts. i can't leave a single question alone. every doubt must be addressed. i doubt as much as humanly possible now, because that way, whatever i discover, i can choose my direction in the labyrinth of life without any inhibitions or hesitation. anything i don't ask now will water down my resolve and personal integrity in the future.

    i need to KNOW, to know as fact, as i know that 1 plus 1 equals 2, that there exists a medium for communication at a distance that the human mind can utilize to perform otherwise impossible tasks.

    If there is not, then magic is nothing more then self delusion that can produce effects only through the same means of physical interaction as we all use, but with enhanced effectiveness through extreme psychological practices. magic would be, in this case, the most badass self-help method ever. you get to do drugs, and you are instructed to build and destroy habits by cutting yourself. But i most know the conditions of my existence if i am to operate effectively within it. if there is no Aether, we might call it, then i will still utilize magic, with a wry smile to all the bullshit and a keen eye to all the loot. but.

    If there is such a thing, it is worth my life, and all that with it might be done.

    Let me discuss myself. Demographics and psych 101 would tell you from what you've already read before i did that i am a white american male between the ages of 17 and 25 from a lower class upbringing. broken home dynamics, probably physically and psychologically abused from a early age. Lots of radical thought; extremely intelligent but did poorly in school. disciplinary problems with peers and authority figures. Told a psychologist in fifth grade i was born to kill. outsider; no friends generally. expelled after using a stapler to do 2500 dollars of damage to school property and holding up classes for hours. dropped out in order to walk to nashville with nothing but a illegal .38 and a guitar to earn money with and the dreams of being like bob dylan. worked shitty jobs for a few years, he probably still is. intended to be a musician and writer and poet as a career from 17-20 or so; now just composes and writes to admire his creations, although is considering writing pop songs to get rich.

    My plan is to find out what i can about magic; find out what it can be used for, and use it for all it's worth. I would ideally like to be able to astral project and enter gnosis at will within a year; apply and be accepted for the IOT, and immediately following initiation join the army. the green berets. it is only in extremes that the human spirit can reveal what its truly capable of. it is only in fluid, risky circumstances that magic can be seen working powerfully. i would like to spend my time in the special forces researching various aspects of combat magic, gnosis, neuromancy, and if i kill someone, aspects of death and communication with recently dead/dying from a aetheric point of view. look for a way into millitary remote viewing groups if possible. after i get out, i was thinking of going to federal prison. beating huge thugs up to get solitary isolation in order to practice empty hand magic all day for weeks on end, exteriorization, mind control, possessing others. maybe escape and return as a joke. recruit a cult among the inmates for my own profit, pleasure and power.
    but i need to know that it WORKS. i'm going to make my own zener cards and start doing tests.

    My current 'beliefs': Nothing is true, and EVERYTHING YOU, YES YOU READING THIS, BELIEVE IS A MOTHERFUCKING LIE BASED ON WISHFUL AND IMAGINARY AXIOMS. only facts can be verified. Everything is permitted - who is to deny? there may be principles of the universe that allow for consciousness, matter, and causality to interact as a single field. or there may not be. the extent of this connection has not been proven in a public forum by means of scientific review; however, scientific review is not everything. there is an absurd amount of purely anecdotal evidence on hand, but i do not doubt the capability of human stupidity to produce it even with a lack of any 'magical' material on hand. All symbol systems of magic are ultimately idiot clingings to superstitious interpretations of a real phenomenon behind (possibly) magic; even if magic is real it has no inherent meaning. the word 'meaning' implies nothing but bullshit makeup for, 'motivation' which come down to bio-mechanical determinism. free will is a lie. we're all a bunch of hairless monkeys lost in delirium because we can't seem to cope with abstract thought and our environment at the same time. it is possible that these idiot clingings are dying away as we get closer to a method of magic that works on reliable principles; or they are dying away as we invent crazier and crazier ways to continue the delusion as science marches onward and we must reconcile with it - but in the end, the curtain will fall, and there will be nothing.

    i am currently drifting. i don't know which way to go because i do not know enough to determine. if i only knew with certainty i was not wasting my time, could finally take the plunge and allow morbid amounts of sheer will and determination to run their course. you need to really understand - if magic, or rather what we CALL magic, works, then i will be that guy. my role models were all people like cyrano de bergerac and tyler durden. if the IOT rejects my application? then i'm walking to their fucking new york temple, and meditating without food or water on the front doorstep until someone at least takes me as an apprentice, i pass out from dehydration, or they get the cops to take me away, in which case i fucking return to what i was doing when they let me go. or maybe they sacrifice me as a joke, who knows. i am dead serious.

    my email is [email protected]. please contact me here or there if you can help, if you have a clue, or answers, or if you just want someone to have nice discussions with. i am posting this message on every occult board i can find, and attending to responses on a daily basis on all of them. if anyone out there is a member of the Pact, i ask you with as much gravity as i can put here,please contact me - i plan on much useful research and contributions contingent of course on the fact/not fact that magic does/does not exist. I know that like most other things, i will be most likely required to do this alone, but i did not want to leave a single resource untapped.

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    Default Hey

    I would stay out of prison if I were you, it's probably a whole lot of unwanted sexual advances from the prosperous Mr. Butch and his big bad friends

    So I'll tell you only about what I know, and what I've tested and worked, namely Remote Viewing. I'm pretty sure that works (and I am doing more testing almost daily, with real money bet on the fact that it does work). I am saying this after some hundreds of sessions, over the past 3+ years.

    See some of my videos here if you want to learn how to do it, and where to practice (what site)

    I have several RV videos on that channel, all made with no financial gain in mind, just to spread the little that I know, and have tested for myself and found to work. I made them precisely for people like you and I, who NEED to see stuff that clearly works, in order to know what to believe.

    Now, you may or may not think RV is a big issue, I didn't quite see the connection myself between magick and RV, until I heard Peter J Carroll speak about Mana. EVERYTHING he said, fits my own knowledge about RV.

    Meaning how there is no loss of signal over space and time, how the mind can simply reach places and times at immense distances as easily as the room next door, and so on.

    Having empirically tested RV and had plenty of results, I now know that at least what Carroll talks about is somewhat true. While RV deals with gathering of information, there may indeed be ways to use our body/mind to also induce change in the Mana, affecting reality further down the road, as per our needs and desires.

    So what I can say is that if you test RV, it will work pretty consistently. And if you already got the info on the ways to do magick (from the books you've read), START TESTING those ways as well, and keep a record of what works.

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabeau View Post
    magic is as real as you want it to be, and everything that is true is a lie, and everything that is a lie is true. we all live in our own world of what is real to us. in fact this whole forum could be a lie and i could not be real at all, only in my world.
    Agree with this. Human mind is one of the most powerfull things, it weavev this world as it is today, therefore anything is real and same time nothing really is.

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    If you believe or even don't believe,why ask us;we can't change your mind.If you believe in something you will believe in it with all your heart then,no one can or will change your mind.Likewise,if you don't believe in something,nothing is going to change your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenBeeBeeMarie View Post
    If you believe or even don't believe,why ask us;we can't change your mind.If you believe in something you will believe in it with all your heart then,no one can or will change your mind.Likewise,if you don't believe in something,nothing is going to change your mind.
    Well what good would evidence be then ? I've changed my beliefs lots of times, when faced with evidence, one way or the other. Things that I thought impossible or very unlikely, became natural in my mind, once I saw enough examples, or heard a clear enough explanation. Likewise negative beliefs about not being able to accomplish something, went away after getting some clear progress, or seeing others do it.

    I don't think it's in any way wrong to ask for proof or guidance, in order to clarify or solidify one's beliefs. And he was asking on an occult forum for the same reason many of us are here - people with more experience might know useful info that we did not, before asking. Just my 2 cents

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    You might need first of all, to learn who 'you' are. A certain solidity of oneself, I beleive is needed, before trying to find out about everything else around you...Things then seem to start clicking into place, bit by bit and a greater understanding of things will then come naturally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabeau View Post
    frankly asking an occultist if magic is real is like asking Nathan's if they have hot dogs, it is arrogance and frankly stupidity. it is no one's business what we feel or do or practice, we try to help but we are not side show freaks having to prove a point to doubters, don't like it? i have a suggestion go to disneyland and take a ride. frankly my dear i don't give a damn.
    hahahaha I love this girl.I couldn't have said it better..

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    you're welcome

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    Lol,yes,she can.I think she may have chased him away,though.I haven't seen him post since.Oh well,I guess.

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    I just can't understand people who do that.It makes no sense to me.I'd much rather things be calm and peaceful.

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