Thread: should we respect christianity?

Respecting someone who may not respect themselves for whatever reason may well be the catalyst by which they find self respect. Often, people lack self respect because they have been disrespected, abused and downgraded by others to the point where they don't feel they are worthy of that respect.

I Respect Christianity in the same way some one can respect a enemy.

If you respect them then you will most likely make a realistic assessment of them which will help not underestimate them and This will allow you to make realistic and workable plans to defeat them.

why are you trying to defeat anyone? You should learn to defeat yourself first, and not to be rude or get into to much chinese philosophy, but that takes a lifetime to accomplish. See hardly anyone follows true christianity, if they did then they would know not to cast stones. But if all you can do is hate and disrespect them than you are no different then they. Some people here seem to have a lot of hate, which doesn't help your magical practices. Let it go and let them be who they are, they are for the most part ignorant and full of fear; so I ask you brothers and sisters, worry about you as a person and take pity for those who can not do the same.

Originally Posted by E-Zads

To be honest I would love to dissect this but it wouldn't end well.

Lets just close this thread with the old adage of "one becomes what they hate" and leave it at that, shall we?

Personally I respect all religions, as I believe should every one else.
But is it not funny that one world wide religion, that preaches peace for all, are the one at the front line of war. The one that preaches free will, are the ones first to critisize. The one who preach not to worry about poverty are the riches business in the world. The ones who teaches forgiveness are the first ones to slander and judge and cast the first stone. I also do find it funny that according to them, vanity is a sin, but they are the most vain of all...just a thought. Personally I have nothing against them, I love debating with them, as they the biggest religion in the world that and in many ways derived from the old study of Wicca, funny is it not. And by the way, if magic was sinful, why do the cathlics use it in there churches...

Originally Posted by Shaolin32

why are you trying to defeat anyone? You should learn to defeat yourself first, and not to be rude or get into to much chinese philosophy, but that takes a lifetime to accomplish. See hardly anyone follows true christianity, if they did then they would know not to cast stones. But if all you can do is hate and disrespect them than you are no different then they. Some people here seem to have a lot of hate, which doesn't help your magical practices. Let it go and let them be who they are, they are for the most part ignorant and full of fear; so I ask you brothers and sisters, worry about you as a person and take pity for those who can not do the same.

by using i meant it as a joke..

I do have friends who are Christians or Catholics. But as long as they do not attack my philosophy, I shall not counter-attack with my arguments on their flawed doctrines. I respect them for who they are as persons, but not their philosophies since they do not already agree with mine (probably too blind to see what's on the other side of the argument).

Anyway, God is always talking **** about the devil all the time, and the devil don't even give a damn. That's a real man I must say.

All paths are equal. By this I mean that every path one takes leads to his or her own enlightenment (whatever floats your boat). Each philosophy or sect has its own heights and depths. About the Christian sheep, it would be their mistake to judge and condemn us because modern Christianity per se is a teaching that's already so perverted beyond recognition. At the very least, we are still evolving...

Remember the Tree of Life: The LHP (Crown, Understanding, Severity, Glory, Kingdom), & the RHP (Crown, Wisdom, Mercy, Victory, Kingdom).

BUT, that is just my opinion. :-)

Just had to chime in with my two cents here. Lavey does say "and he who says 'thou shalt not' is my mortal foe", however it could be easily interpreted that he is referencing those who founded Christianity and gave birth to its "lies". Christianity must gain some respect as to the incredible heights of power and influence it has wrought on humanity, if only for that alone. Furthermore, stupidity is a Satanic cardinal sin, and looking down on Christians because of what they believe is just not smart, there are simply too many of them for that to work out well for you. Just some food for thought.

Fist off, treat others with respect, no matter what they do to you. You're fool to think otherwise.

Looking at the Christian faith (which I am a member of, I just practice sorcory) I find it to be very similar to the Wiccan faith. Look at it like this: In each faith, there are the legitimates. Most of the time, these are your priests, and devoted followers. Then you have the extras. These are the people that pretend to follow a faith for either acceptance or shock value. So while there is the the true faith, there will always be those that 'go to chrch' (and that's it, don't actually lead a Christian life) and some wiccans, (who only follow for the facade, or shock value.). In either case the difference is in depth and knowledge. You learn more about yourself and the creator through following a religion, so naturally a true follower understands the ways of the God/Gods. This is to say that their personality has DEPTH. Not the shallow facade to hide insecurity.

So how does one tell the difference? It's obvious. Jonny say's he's a Christian. He just got ****-faced last night. Does that sound like a follower of the faith? Heck no. Same goes for Wicca. Jennifer says she's a wiccan. She spends her time staring angrily at people and threatening them with curses. Sound Wiccan? Again, no way.

I would say the same goes for satanists, but I'll be honest, most of you guys are generally close-minded and hard to find anyone of the faith who legitimately follows for purposes other than shock and skin-deep values. Just sayin.

So should we respect Christianity? YES! Everyone is treated with acceptance for their decisions outside of a faith, so why should this be any different? Those who are true followers aren't hard to spot, and make the conscious choice to live for the better, and not hypocrisy.

Well, It is a subject upon which, as a Laveyan Satanist, evidence could point toward either end. My grievances with Christianity have nothing to do with true Christians or hypocrites, which, as you said, you find in every religion (From the Satanist side they exist as those who have no investment in their philosophies, but rather go for shock value), but it is a fundamental disagreement with the entire structure of Christianity. Now, lets not go into reasons or merits, as I do not wish to get involved in a religious debate, I was just seeking to clarify that its not Christians (be they unrepresentative or not) but the religion itself. Just because a person is a true Christian does not, in my eyes (and I am only speaking for myself, not Satanism) warrant them respect. Their actions are the tokens by which I measure their worth, and most of those I look for have little to do with religion at all. For example, Alchemicenchanter, I respect you for approaching this as a discussion, and not trolling this thread or harassing its members.

Sure why not, there's a difference between respect and agreeing with something :P