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Thread: LaVeyan is a genius- Newcomer post. Questions inside.

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    Default LaVeyan is a genius- Newcomer post. Questions inside.

    Hello, I've been reading the Satanic Bible and it's a great piece of work. I agree with it 100%. I also feel like it has spoke to me and it relates to me very much so.
    I have a couple of questions though. Wikipedia says that High Priest Peter.H.Gilmore says "Satanists do not believe in the supernatural, in neither God nor the Devil" but you can see on a youtube video interview with LaVeyan and on the Satanic Bible that they alteast acknowledge Norse Mythology and all the other mythologies mentioned here. Doesn't mythology and rituals like the Black Mass (Along with the verses at the end of the book) Count as supernatural? I have a second question to, do they believe in Hell? That's supernatural but he goes into great detail about the Four Crown Princes of Hell and isn't that a bit supernatural? Aswell as the curses and hexes which all seems a bit stupid and I remember High Priest Pere.H.Gilmore saying that he scoffs at such things on a video I recently watched.

    It would be awesome if you could clear that up. Thanks.


    Edit -I noticed that the SB doesn't have a list of such things as, The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth and The Nine Satanic Sins like the list at the start of the The Nine Satanic Statements. Or maybe the Satanic sins and Rules are hinted throughout the SB?
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    Okay I am really confused..Gilmore says that they do not worship any god but I just watched the Black Mass documentary and somone said "In the name of our most exalted god. I command thee to come forth and bestow these blessing of hell upon us" Blessings of hell??
    I'm really confused as to what is the true belief. They sound like they are trying to bring forth satan but he's just a way of life. It completley goes against what Gilmore says.

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    No, Satan is merely a symbol & an archetype. They may use the word 'Satan' but its not meant to be taken literally. It represents as you said a way of life.
    1. They do not believe in demons & forces but if I am not mistaken, Lavey believes that curses can work if the subconscious mind is used. Blackmass is more of a mockery of christianity then a 'magickal ritual'. But its not just a mockery,it represents self deification & sort of being your own god.
    2. No, they do not believe in hell. Almost everything is an archetype which represents 'free will' & our nature to indulge rather than summoning infernal forces.
    "And with strange aeons, even death may die."

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    This is from my post '' Mainstream Satanism''

    I was inspired to write this because of the whole arguement of '' Is Laveyan Satanism a real, valid, form of satanism?''

    What was Lavey's view of God or any form of the divine? Lavey believed that ''God'' was a balancing force in the universe that wasn't concerned with humanity. The divine in his view exists only in Man. The gods are personifications of Humanity's higher nature. They are ''made external'' due to man's need for dogma and ritual. The whole religious and magickal aspect of The Satanic Bible is based on this. Satan is, in Lavey's eyes, the adversarial aspect in man that is against all that is an obstacle towards his quest to Godhood. Lavey believed that in order to become a God, you must Love Life. You must be like the child whom, upon bed time, goes down the stairs late at night and watches T.V. ... you must be death defiant and peer through the veil of Death. It is through this Love of Life that one becomes bound to this world and lives on. This validates the decadent nature of the religion. If satan is lord of this world, then he is the perfect representation of a path designed to fit every worldly and emotional need of man-kind. Thus, to a Laveyan Satanist, Satan is a principle within that exists. Since most mainstream religions focus on the the destruction of the ego ( but in satanism it exalts the ego), it is more of a mainstream form of satanism than an actual esoteric or truly spiritually satisfying form of satanism. Laveyan satanism does not claim we have a soul. Thus they don't try to focus on spiritual aspects or special powers... most of the rituals being used in order to satisfy the psychological need for dogma.

    Would like to also state that I am not a Laveyan Satanist. I'm just showing them for what they are - not the preconceived notions of people who don't know how to actually research such things.
    So no, they don't believe in hell. If anything is ''Hell'' it would be that near-life state that a spirit/force has when one has become earth-bound.

    I hope this clears up the questions you are asking.

    The Satanic Bible is only Laveyan satanism though... there are many different organizations and satanic orders which have nothing to do with Lavey and the Satanic Bible. The Black Mass was supposed to be a mockery of the Christian faith as a means to renounce God and move past the christian paradigm, at least from a Laveyan Satanist perspective.
    Last edited by devakxes; 05-24-2010 at 02:00 PM.
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