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    Default Question about elemental kings/"angels" from a Luciferian perspective.

    Hello. I'm a fairly new Luciferian (with a lot of influence from Michael W. Ford), and I had a question about left-hand path ceremonial magic. In, for example, an earth element based ritual (such as a money spell), a Golden Dawn-style mage would use the names of the elemental king Ghob, and the angel Gabriel. What would be some appropriate substitutes for Ghob/Djin/Niksa/Paralda and Michael/Ariel/Raphael/Gabriel from a Luciferian or Satanic perspective?
    Last edited by Chrlyon; 11-27-2011 at 07:47 PM. Reason: Grammatical Error
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrlyon View Post
    Hello. I'm a fairly new Luciferian (with a lot of influence from Michael W. Ford), and I had a question about left-hand path ceremonial magic. In, for example, an earth element based ritual (such as a money spell), a Golden Dawn-style mage would use the names of the elemental king Ghob, and the angel Gabriel. What would be some appropriate substitutes for Ghob/Djin/Niksa/Paralda and Michael/Ariel/Raphael/Gabriel from a Luciferian or Satanic perspective?
    Well, the Elemental kings are the same, and I believe there are the arch dukes of hell. I think this is how it goes:

    Lucifer-fire
    Behemoth-earth
    Leviathan-water
    Satan-air


    not sure on air and fire. You'd better check it out.

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    Thank you for your reply, Astral Eye. I was actually aware of the Arch Dukes' or Crown Princes' elemental associations (Belial is actually the prince associated with earth, and Satan and Lucifer are reversed - at least the way I was taught), but I didn't know that they were interchangeable with the elemental Angels. I actually always thought of Lucifer, Satan etc. more as godforms than demons. Thanks for your help though, as you can probably tell I'm fairly new to this.
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    you missed belial, but he don't mean much without lucifer.

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    I'd use Belial or demons involving money like Mammon for the archangels.
    As for the elemental kings, that is all enochian magick and most of it is based upon John Dee's scrying. His subjective reality was based upon ideas from reading the apocryphal texts of the bible. So really you could just continue using the names and still be following along with Michael W. Ford, just replace the angel names with demons. Know the difference between enochian names and demon names.
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    Close, it is
    Lucifer-Air
    Belial - Earth
    Leviathan-Water
    Satan-Fire
    Quote Originally Posted by Astral Eye View Post
    Well, the Elemental kings are the same, and I believe there are the arch dukes of hell. I think this is how it goes:

    Lucifer-fire
    Behemoth-earth
    Leviathan-water
    Satan-air


    not sure on air and fire. You'd better check it out.
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    Oh, my bad.

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