Thread: Donald Michael Kraig's Modern Magick

certaintly, you believe a symbol can have a different meaning to different people. It might be the case that these differences cause a spirtual friction. But by all means keep trying to turn lead into gold.

sometime the only way to explain the unexplainable is by symbols, like how do you explain infinity to its fullness, how do you explain a vision that you understand only in its abstract but know whithout words, words are limited by reason.

Originally Posted by crowley666

certaintly, you believe a symbol can have a different meaning to different people. It might be the case that these differences cause a spirtual friction. But by all means keep trying to turn lead into gold.

Considering the results people like Lisiewski, Regardie and Frater Albertus have had in alchemy during my lifetime I do not see why that would not be possible.

The work Lisiewski did on making the homunculus is rather amazing if you ask me.

Buy the book and read for your self. Amazon.com: Israel Regardie & The Philosophers Stone: The Alchemical Arts Brought Down to Earth (9781935150893): Joseph C. Lisiewski, Mark Stavish: Books

not only can lead turn to gold. It is being done right now (oh your going to hate this) inside me.

Originally Posted by crowley666

not only can lead turn to gold. It is being done right now (oh your going to hate this) inside me.

LOL true I hated that

Originally Posted by zero

sometime the only way to explain the unexplainable is by symbols, like how do you explain infinity to its fullness, how do you explain a vision that you understand only in its abstract but know whithout words, words are limited by reason.

Ohh I agree completely with that. The bible is filled with examples of that and so are many other texts. What I turn against is when people say that the sword in the grimoires is a "blind" and that it is just a symbol for your inner strength and stuff like that. It just demonstrates a complete lack of understanding for the material to me.

Originally Posted by MrK

LOL true I hated that

I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor. Now if the two of us could get past petty name calling, or sarcastic comments we could possibly be friends

Originally Posted by crowley666

I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor. Now if the two of us could get past petty name calling, or sarcastic comments we could possibly be friends

I think we can work that out

Originally Posted by MrK

Ohh I agree completely with that. The bible is filled with examples of that and so are many other texts. What I turn against is when people say that the sword in the grimoires is a "blind" and that it is just a symbol for your inner strength and stuff like that. It just demonstrates a complete lack of understanding for the material to me.

It's good to manifest the mind in the material. In turn the symbols begin manifesting in the mind. Without the mind though the sword, for example, is simply a pointy steel object and does not represent ones reason. In turn I could use a pogo stick to represent my reason, but would my mind believe me,orbetterput wouldn't it be easier for the mind to manifest it's image of might and reason in an item made of steel, with a hilt, used to stab things. Not to mention all the power the sword has had put into it, throughout the ages in the collective unconcious. No offense, but I've seen you apply a few times Crowley found the tools irrelvant and this is simply not the case.

Ohh Crowley actually used the whole enchilada of tools. Not that it helped him much with the Goetia though but he had the tools The sword in it self without proper preparations is useless. With the proper symbols and construction it is a very powerful tool though. Many people miss the fact that it needs to be made in a special way to have any effect and the Goetia totally misses to mention how to do that while the Key of Solomon describes this in detail.

One theory why the Goetia and some other grimoires do not mention this is something I and David Rankine have discussed a lot. During Rankine's and Skinner's research for their translation of the Veritable Key of Solomon they discovered and identified over 100 versions of the Key. They also managed to exclude a few that were mislabeled in the libraries. No other grimoire has that many different versions. Most of them just have a few and almost none over 10. This made a theory we have had for a while even more likely. We believe that the Key of Solomon was treated as a primer for magicians of those days and that it lead to things being left out of some grimoires because it was considered common knowledge back then. This would explain so much in the grimoires and the theory is gaining popularity among the grimoire people. See Davids site David Rankine or my blog Grimoire Magic Blogs for more detailed information on this. Another thing that David and Stephen mentions in their The Goetia of Dr Rudd is a theory that the sword is actually supposed to made of iron and not steel. This is based on the fact that King Solomon used iron to bind many of the Demons to the temple of Solomon. Iron works very binding on demons and would hurt them even more then a correctly blessed steel sword would do. To read about that you would have to buy the book though.

Something similar to this is the trumpet mentioned in the Veritable Key of Solomon. It is not a trumpet like we think of them today but rather a horn. It will only be able to produce a few notes and is used to call on the angles while opening the ritual. What is not mentioned is what tones it should be able to play. What ton to make is something I have managed to find though and it will be revealed in my upcoming book on grimore magic as well as some other currently big question marks relating to the tools. I could go on and on about the tools and why they have to be made in a certain way to work. In my upcoming book I spend a lot of pages explaining the Lion skin demand in the Goetia for example and also give a few working alternatives. I also describe what makes it work and how to build a replacement for it.

I am totally fascinated by this stuff and I get frustrated when people do not see what I see. I am sure you feel the same way when people do not see what you see crowley666. You probably look at me as a narrow minded traditionalist of the worst kind and I look at you as someone who are way to in to the modern way of magic. I would be glad to leave this with just saying that we have completely different approaches to reach pretty much the same thing. If you can live with that and accept that we most likely will get in heated debates once in a while because we come from two rather not compatible ways of magic I do not see why we would not be able to be friends.