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View Poll Results: What is the nature of invocation/evocation?

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  • Calling forth and interacting with conscious entities

    2 50.00%
  • Using symbols to aid in manipulating mind/matter

    1 25.00%
  • Other (explain)

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Thread: Invoking/Evoking... What?

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    Default Invoking/Evoking... What?

    I've noticed that several people on this forum think of invocation/evocation as regarding conscious entities. I tend not to see it that way: I think of the mental images of angels and demons as gateways to manipulating "energy", which is just a catch-all phrase for the tendency of mind and matter to give way to willpower. Images are like monitors to a computer - they allow you to do your task but don't tell you much about the underlying hardware responsible. My understanding is that this is the Crowley/Regardie line of thought.

    I've put up a poll to get some takes. Please feel free to explain your view and your reasons for it. I'm curious to see who is in the majority.

    EDIT: I've done some thinking. The conscious entity view seems to be the best explanation of certain phenomena. I revoke my earlier comment.
    Last edited by One and Only...; 04-30-2009 at 04:20 AM.

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    I personally do not have much experience in invocation/evocation but my belief is that God's and spirits are separate and yet joined to the human psyche... God's exist whether humans think of them as real or false... but a God's influence is greatly expanded or shrank based on whether the person allows them to enter their life and exert their power... so i voted that they're separate... but i also think theres a massive amount of grey area, even in my own beliefs... good idea for a poll One and only...
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    Krowley has said that "The spirits of the goetia are portions of the human brain", however I don't take this quite literally. To me it merely means that we have sort of an inbuilt gateway (in our subconscious mind) through which we can communicate or manipulate the spirits.
    Last edited by ninfan; 04-23-2009 at 11:02 PM.
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