Thread: Noncorporeal Beings

i have been reading this thrid for awile and i am confused to the point of looking this up and then i will give a response or i will agree with lady d. cause i see spirits and have been seeing them for awile now eversense i was 12 but i only seen them at night but now i see them at all hours of the day but i am going to look it up...

[QUOTE=fishcakes;4194]Have always had my doubts about the spiritual world. Relatives hanging around just to pass on inanities when you are all sat around the ouija board. Still i find this a little more believable that hauntings, hanging around in some gothic drafty manor house throwing stones at gullible psychics. I DONT THINK SO! The female changing rooms and football stadiums would be full of the male deceased. Thronged. Is that ectoplasm?????<------f*ck! sorry!

Still....
Its been said that mankind never dies nor steps outside of eternal life. Newton (as we all know) said ......
Hall said that we are not reborn but that our energy goes to infuse new life. That we are not a single life in a procesion of bodies but are rather a blending of energy and that memories of past lives are illusion.[/QUO Gullible Psychics? Your mind is not open at all. If you are interested in anything Occult you must open your mind and realize that all is possible. Otherwise you might as well stick to coffee table books.

The problem with the word "spirits" is that it's a bit vague, kind of like "chest pain". The nature, causes and consequences are so varied, it's dizzying. To some, spirits are only those of the departed, to others this term includes angels, demons, gods, elementals, et cetera.

I think it'd be helpful if we all stated what, exactly, we mean when we post about "spirits". Then there wouldn't be as much confusion or bickering.

In your paradigm, is the term "spirit" exclusive to intelligences which were, at some point, human or a human-derivative?

That is very close to the definition I work with. Question: How would you classify an entity that does not have a form composed of conventional mass particles which is not self-aware?

Originally Posted by Royal Heart

In your paradigm, is the term "spirit" exclusive to intelligences which were, at some point, human or a human-derivative?

Both. I have to tell you this thread was not meant to be serious as the poster never posts anything serious. All I can say is he did make all think did he not?

Originally Posted by Royal Heart

That is very close to the definition I work with. Question: How would you classify an entity that does not have a form composed of conventional mass particles which is not self-aware?

An energy or spiritual embryo. We were all mass particles to start with. When we die the physical is consumed back into the void. Our astral if one believes this goes into the astral world waiting to be re incarnated or not. The higher part atma hovers above and waits for the new body to form again from the void. Now this is one way of looking at it. This discussion is really one that no matter your belief or opinion is it is of the personal and your own path of belief one no matter how hard you try can not possibly explain it or enlighten anyone if they believe different. It is all very individual.

I know. I was theorizing at what others believe. The most I can say is come visit the least I can say is don't.

Originally Posted by Vir Sapiens

An entity not composed of massless particles without self awareness would be less of an entity in my book and more of a pattern. This is going to be difficult to explain. There are some energies that have a repeating pattern and certainly give the appearance that something is "at the wheel" so to speak. I never really came up with a term for them but I suppose a simulcra would be appropriate.

That makes sense to me, although I'm hesitant to use the term "entity" when referring to a pattern. For my own purposes only I make the distinction between a spirit (self-aware) and a ghost (entity repeating a pattern without consciousness or will). A ghost, in my paradigm, is a shell. A human-like residue that follows the pattern it was left with until it degrades and dissipates.

A ghost can be classified as a pattern, but not all patterns are ghosts. Spirits are able to make choices and react to changing situations. Ghosts are incapable of this, as are patterns. Patterns can be changed, but not by their own choice - since they don't have the conscious will to make choices.

Perhaps their plane of existence has something to do with it.

You can call up your dead ancestors or grandfather and have conversations with them, (big in Africa)...but you can't have a conversation with dead uncle Albert who haunts the bathroom down the hall and is constantly flushing the toilet.

Perhaps "patterned ghosts" never made it to the correct realm...or got stuck halfway. Perhaps their "consciousness" got separated from their spiritual body.

wow...That must suck.