Thread: Contract Magick

To me, what you're doing is summoning the Kin and making a pact with it, same way a celtic magickian might pour honey and milk at the base of a tree that sacrificed a part of itself to give the magickian a wand. An easier method of doing this might be making a deal without giving something, for instance I believe in the supreme power of words and names, so if you divined the true name of the specific Kin, you could take power over said Kin. The only pitfall is that in your example, the Kin of your dollar is only one of many Kins of different dollars, it would need to have dominion over a set amount of other Kins. At least it would for me.

Something to add for this, since PMs are dead... I never really gotten around to what essence human magic would dictate so-called 'true names' would have much use, other than it being a personification of the entity's 'core' at the most. Since humans have a petty issue of control, to me it seems like an all too convenient construct made up for the sake of letting the humans become self indulgent.

If its such, should not be terribly easy to get a human's true name and establish 'dominion' in that same sense?

I see what you're saying and it sounds like a good method, I mentioned not too long ago in a post that I once found a world of impish creatures with staffs about twice their height, that are the essence of things. For communicative purposes, we'll name them "Kin".

I shall like to give some poking around a go again, been some while since one did so... but then again my preference was picking around various kinds of 'hells' and looking at the lame folk who got stuck there by their belief entanglements.

Originally Posted by Kouya

Something to add for this, since PMs are dead... I never really gotten around to what essence human magic would dictate so-called 'true names' would have much use, other than it being a personification of the entity's 'core' at the most. Since humans have a petty issue of control, to me it seems like an all too convenient construct made up for the sake of letting the humans become self indulgent.

If its such, should not be terribly easy to get a human's true name and establish 'dominion' in that same sense?

Actually, yes and no. It's hard to get any beings "True" name, there is a ritual I once read about to find your true name, and claimed that once you knew it, if no one else did- they could not magickally attack you with much to any effect. To the same degree, it's why that in most exorcisms- you either ask the spirits name, or you name it. To further your power over the spirit to expel it. It all comes down to what you believe. I for instance believe in the power of names. (not just true names) If I know the name of a person, thing or power. I can use it with some degree of control or knowledge. I've applied this belief- with much success, to my magick. An example would be, that after I was attacked and made sick by the disease spirit known as Haha, I traced his energy through his name, using a specific divination process I created; and bound him up so tight, he wouldn't have felt himself go numb ( lol )

So, names do have power, the degree of power the name holds is not equal to how "True" the name is, but it is equal to the amount of knowledge you have on how to manipulate the name. At least these have been my findings. I could be wrong.

The story of Isis and Ra also mentions a "True name" Ra's true name to be exact, he gave it to Isis so she would take dominion over his powers- in return, she saved his life.