Thread: A poem about fat people

Originally Posted by Slavagrisha

It can evoke a sense of fear in a big majority of people, i think people can use this as a tool or a wall. Wouldent 'individualism' be more suiting? But some kids may not think this, maybe they want the 'satan' as it were, to help them become powerfull, or sell their soul to satan? Nobody owns their own soul anyway, let alone selling it to an 'ideal' that has been passed down and used to imidate.

I dont have a problem with satanism, it doesent interest me. What intrests me is how the image of Baphomet has been abused. And how fat jokes seem to be acceptable here. Wouldent this be a place where some people might be looking to get away from the day to day jokes like that?

They use "Left Hand Path" on another forum I go on. Maybe one of those lost kids looking for power could find out what Satanism (or whatever you want to call it) really is all about. I think it's safer for them to learn about it here where they can get better information than to find what I like to call the Christian Satanists who sacrifice things and serve some entity they believe to be Satan.

Honestly, I have seen this thread listed for awhile now. I had chosen not to even look at it, but I couldn't figure out why there were so many posts. I expected it to die out by now.

Originally Posted by ShinobiBombay

It has such a bad reputation...
But, I understand it. And i am a Catholic!
But, honestly, the few satanists that I have met don't really seem to have their act together. The Setians on the other hand seem to be very together.

Don't get me wrong. I have study it a bit. But, the official Satanic Church seems to be the stuff of Hollywood. Which is okay, I suppose. But, it seems more like role playing. If I am wrong, please forgive me,...oh, wait,...that is not the satanic style...Okay,...uh,... Try and understand where I am coming from.
Most of the Satanic folks I have met are drug addicts... seriously. Which is odd because I know for a fact that La Vey spoke out adamantly against drugs.

An understanding Catholic, that's like an oxymoron. Setians are actually considered Satanists as well. Left Hand Path really is a better term. Not all Satanists are part of the Church of Satan. There are many many kinds of Satanists. Yeah, I've met the drug addicts too, unfortunately. Really I think the main thing that makes a person a Satanist is the idea that you don't worship anyone. You are the god of your own universe, or your own life.

I think part of the reason the Church of Satan is so "Hollywood" as you put it, is because La Vey was a lion tamer in the circus. I mean, he was a showman. He even hung out with celebrities.

What's the deal with the anti-drug stances?

So I would have it you don't appreciate Native American religions, druidry, shamanism, countless mushroom-eating, opium-smoking, Hindi and Buddhist gurus, etc? Even the Greeks had rituals involving the consumption of the LSD-like Ergot.

Drug use is rampant through the traditions of our ancestors.

Or, to put it in the context of the occult: Need I remind you all of Aleister Crowley?

Just my opinion. I am not qualified to tell you what you can and cannot do. It doesn't work for me.
(I... just..gotta... be in control,man!)

Besides, I am much more convinced of my experiences. Trust me I have used a lot. Carlos Castaneda got me interested in the use of these things. But, it just doesn't work for me. That's all.

usurparian What's the deal with the anti-drug stances?

So I would have it you don't appreciate Native American religions, druidry, shamanism, countless mushroom-eating, opium-smoking, Hindi and Buddhist gurus, etc?


Are you reffering to me about thinking drugs are bad?

If you were then: i would say drugs have runined about 6 years of my life. Mdma, weed, pills, ketemane, Noz balloons, coke, crack, are many of the activities i considered 'spiriutal'. While your mind can enter and explore wonderfull things, there 'is' a mental price to pay in the end.

Originally Posted by Slavagrisha

usurparian What's the deal with the anti-drug stances?

So I would have it you don't appreciate Native American religions, druidry, shamanism, countless mushroom-eating, opium-smoking, Hindi and Buddhist gurus, etc?


Are you reffering to me about thinking drugs are bad?

If you were then: i would say drugs have runined about 6 years of my life. Mdma, weed, pills, ketemane, Noz balloons, coke, crack, are many of the activities i considered 'spiriutal'. While your mind can enter and explore wonderfull things, there 'is' a mental price to pay in the end.

Same here. I have been clean for over 12 years!

^ Nice one man, I've been clean about a year and a half, but my mind is 'far' from being repaired fully, so i still have alot of work to do.

Must understand loss to understand fully what everyday people take for granted: Mental Health.

Well, the subject sure seems to have changed.

It wasn't easy. My 'prayers' are with you, Slavagirl!

Are you Slavic?
"Viac moc sa na Vás! "

The problem with the poem is that it is hard to see the humorous in things that get thrown in your face everyday. I have had people scream insults after me on the street because of my weight. And it seam that many think it is ok to make fun of overweight people because they think we are just weak willed. And it do make me angry, it is not ok to insult someone in a wheelchair that they can not walk or make sun of a blind person because they can not see. But for many it is ok to say that fat people should not breed, that we are ugly, weak, take up space, are to ugly to be let outside our homes and other such things. How do you think people would react if I told a smoker that was dying of lung cancer that he he, good thing to, you are a waste of space anyway and brought this on yourself. Why don't you die faster so you stop breathing my air? Would that be ok? No I would not think so, but it is ok to say the same to fat people. Truth is over weight is a disease, and it can be a serious one, it can kill you.

And yes the basics of loosing weight is eat less calories than you burn so eat less and move about more. But it is not that easy, there are underlaying causes. Do you think anyone would get as fat as me, I weight 130 kg that is about 286 pounds, do you think anyone would suffer the scorn of others on the street, have to suffer the humiliation of hoping no one will control my ticket at the buss because the mandatory seat belt do not fit, would anyone want to have to go to special stores for big people to buy clothes, have their bodies hurt if they walk for ten minutes, to know you are unhealthy and are damaging yourself. Would you suffer this if it was just as easy as stop eating?

With me it is depression others might have other mental problems for the overweight, others have physical problems, it is not as easy as eat less and move more. Overweight is a real illness, and while I do try to fight it, it is extremely hard, and yes that poem hurt me, for even if it was written as a joke, it is still hurtful when the things said in it are things people on the street and on the Internet say to me not joking. When I am often made to feel that I do not deserve to live because I am fat, then such a poem becomes allot less fun.

Venefica.
I do agree with what you are saying. I am a skinny guy. But, i do know what it is like being taunted and stuff. I was always picked on as a kid. But, i was fortunate in that my Dad made me take martial arts. Even though this seems to be unrelated, it is in the sense that I can empathize to some degree. I am slightly dyslexic(thank god for spell checking) and have been adhd all my life.
It is a bad thing to poke fun at (dare I say it?) fat people. I know for a fact that some of the best majicians i know are bigger people.And some of them are definitely for real!!!

People would be wise to consider who they choose to poke fun at. The victim could turn out to be someone you wish you had never toyed with. Or, they could be your best friend. One of the most influential friends/teachers I had was a very large Santero. He was definitely not someone to screw around with!!!!