Thread: Magick VS Atheists

lol, no, I wouldn't go in so far as to say that. Think of it like having thick skin. You can still get cut, but not as deep, if noticeable at all.


As for Science and Magick...
They have a LOT in common, both are "complex" to outsiders, both require a certain amount of imagination, proof (at least, with me. I try to directly link my magick to the effects, while staying impartial.)
I'm a full believe in Magick, and in science, I use them both together with dramatically excellent results. They can be used harmoniously to explain one another, for instance, Quantum Physics (while sometimes regaurded as "pseudo-science") is a beautifully inventive, and interesting perspective on the world that goes well with Magick.
As do other sciences. For a time in my life I actually wanted to BE a scientist.
At the time I cast my first circle, called the elements, FELT the rush, the surge, the electricity, I knew magick was real. It was like meeting that person who you felt you knew your entire life. A, soul mate of sorts.
Astral projection is simply the "projection" of your (mental) consciousness in a vehicle/form (soul) outside of your physical body, on to this worlds twin (Ethereal plane) or on to other worlds (frequencies, if you like QP), remote viewing works the same way, except it is your mental consciousness only, I've used it to read minds, to see other people, anything. We're waves overlapping and interacting with waves, so is magick.

Then again that is my opinion.
I love and respect both science and magick, I believe science works because I see it's results, the same with magick. They are beautiful. It's alchemy in both its forms.

lol, no, I wouldn't go in so far as to say that. Think of it like having thick skin. You can still get cut, but not as deep, if noticeable at all.

Rationality becomes a simple ritual for protection! The more adept at naturalistic explanations you are, the more potent your abjurative skills will be, surely?

Quantum Physics (while sometimes regaurded as "pseudo-science")

As far as I know, the predictions made by QM (with peer consensus) have been totally accurate. It's not pseudo science at all, it's perhaps the most tried and tested physical theory ever conceived.

I've never seen magic work (That could not be explained by science). I have seen science work though. My trust is in that which I can see, I can experiance, I can feel. Not in what I want to be there, unfortunatly.

I think a lot of it is comfort. +shrugs+ You want something so much you are going to "find" personal proof. In my opinion it is all psychological. Not saying you don't have a right to believe in it

Originally Posted by yodatalk

I've never seen magic work (That could not be explained by science). I have seen science work though. My trust is in that which I can see, I can experiance, I can feel. Not in what I want to be there, unfortunatly.

I think a lot of it is comfort. +shrugs+ You want something so much you are going to "find" personal proof. In my opinion it is all psychological. Not saying you don't have a right to believe in it

Inclined to agree with you. If someone willingly spreads disinformation it starts to become pretty crappy though.

Originally Posted by yodatalk

I've never seen magic work (That could not be explained by science). I have seen science work though. My trust is in that which I can see, I can experiance, I can feel. Not in what I want to be there, unfortunatly.

I think a lot of it is comfort. +shrugs+ You want something so much you are going to "find" personal proof. In my opinion it is all psychological. Not saying you don't have a right to believe in it

If you haven't felt or experienced magic, it's not magic's fault, it's your fault. Shallow minded pop-science chimps wasting their time at occult forums repeating the same shallow bs again and again will never experience magic. Go read some Stephen Hawking book noob.

Perhaps you both mean different things by magic?

Originally Posted by DetonatorZ

If you haven't felt or experienced magic, it's not magic's fault, it's your fault. Shallow minded pop-science chimps wasting their time at occult forums repeating the same shallow bs again and again will never experience magic. Go read some Stephen Hawking book noob.

Now now, we're all just having a friendly chat, they are as entitled to an opinion as you or I.

I've never seen magic work (That could not be explained by science). I have seen science work though. My trust is in that which I can see, I can experiance, I can feel. Not in what I want to be there, unfortunatly.

I think a lot of it is comfort. +shrugs+ You want something so much you are going to "find" personal proof. In my opinion it is all psychological. Not saying you don't have a right to believe in it

Well, magick is not something you see or don't see work. Let me put it into terms you might understand, when one preforms a spell, what they do is they gather energy (QP: waves, the stuff reality is made from.) and charge it with mental intent (will, a part of the "mental superhighway" that keeps us all seeing the same **** when we look at a bug), then send it out into the higher frequencies (realities) the wave affects other waves subtly, mingling with them, tugging at them like a puppetmaster to bring about the desired event. It works with the path of least resistance, thus, when I cast a money spell, thousand dollar bills don't shoot out of my arse. hahah. But, I might find a 20 on the sidewalk and/or get a promotion at my job.

Now, I won't deny that some people want to see their magick happen so badly that they make themselves see it, but, it DOES happen. One of my students, Sarah, I had her do a weather spell for one of her first tests, she had a date with her boyfriend the next day and wanted snow, so, I helped her along a bit (with the energy gathering) and the next day it was so heavily snowy that he almost crashed his truck bringing her to the skating rink, now, is that just good timing? Maybe, but I don't think so. Why? What is my proof? Every- not just sometimes- but every time I have cast a weather spell, it happens. It creates change. I don't watch the weather, so it isn't like I see a snowstorm coming then run outside to call the white stuff down. It just happens.

Another example would be, I had a friend, Emmy, she was going off to the military in Fall of last year, now, this is in Nevada, it does not snow in the fall, hell, some people say we don't even have a Fall (We do.). So, I told her I'll make it snow in the Fall for her, she didn't believe me. (We had a 100 degree summer).
So, I do my thing.
Guess what happens come Fall?
Snow.

Originally Posted by DetonatorZ

If you haven't felt or experienced magic, it's not magic's fault, it's your fault. Shallow minded pop-science chimps wasting their time at occult forums repeating the same shallow bs again and again will never experience magic. Go read some Stephen Hawking book noob.

Please keep it civilized. Even though I agree with your idea, I will not have fights in my thread. They haven't insulted us, so you must not insult them, lest a flame war starts.

Thank you.

I think he means to say he has not experienced "vulgar forms" of magick.
That is to say, nothing like the movies.
No fire balls shooting out of wands, no flying witches riding broomsticks under the full moon, no withering death curse that worked, no glowing spirit come to give a message. Nothing of that sort.

Mostly, magick, is subtle. You won't really notice it unless you mixed up in it, looking for it. You do a spell, you get what you want. Personally, I've caused a house to be burned down, made a doll that hosts the violent spirit of a killer (which has cause many people to injure themselves while holding it), called up a ghost and got an audible response with three other people to verify the event, made a man crash his truck into another car, recieved large sums of money, and battled nasty spirits. Much more, but thats just some of the stuff that sticks out.

Now, most of them, were what you might call coincidence. The money didn't just show up out of thin air. I find it on the ground or someone means to give me a dollar tip but had a fifty dollar bill folded up in there by accident. The house was later scheduled for a controlled burn by the fire department. The doll just makes people hurt their hands usually, even when they don't know about the doll. Totally natural means of occuring.

If you are looking for vulgar magick, good luck. It's hard to find. Not impossible though.

Magick works on atheists, but they won't notice or, like it has been said, they will nullify the effects just because of their stance on things. Think about it, they banish with laughter. "Magick? why you delusion asshat hahahahah". Bam. They are better at it than most of us wizards are.

You should read up on anthropologist who actually encounter the supernatural. One guy saw an honest to god resurrection of a corpse with glowing magick beams and everything. Another guy got mixed up in Malay magick and drank charmed water (with effect) and was given a real life magick amulet that did spooky things. Check it out, great stuff.

I do not mean hollywood magic. I mean Magic. The thing we have been talking about.
I used to study the occult like I have stated before, and I also used ot be wiccan. I am not arguing, I am only stating my opinions.
I don't see why one of the members here saw fit to be extremely rude to me, but what ever.
I have studied this, I have been around the occoult community for awhile(I just change my name and don't draw attention to myself). 6 or 7 years to be precise. have seen no evidence of magic, subtle or no, in that time.

Personal encounters mean nothing to me. Unless it happens to me personally, I do not take others experiances as fact. People lie. People misinterpret things as supernatural.
I have never seen a spell work that wasn't something that could have happened anyway without the spell. In the same vein, praying has never worked, and thats toned down spell casting in my opinion.

And a note, if anyone else would like to insult me just because i believe something different than you, do it through pm and don't show your ignorance in public. It's embarresing.