Thread: Magick VS Atheists

I do not believe in spirits. I do not believe in god/s. I do not believe there is an afterlife. Thus Religion, magic, mysticism has no place. Anything unusual that can't be explained by science I believe is just a natural phenomena that can eventaul be explained.

Well, they don't have a place, in your world.
Try applying cultural relativism here.

In your worldview, science is all that one needs to unravel the mysteries. Enough time and enough thought will yeild all the answers man searches for and maybe a few more. There is nothing beyond normal, no super normal, and everything is rational and logical.

In others world view, science cannot or has not explained the mysteries. Science might have limits as to what is can grasp and mysticism goes beyond those limits. There are events that defy reason and logic, at least our understanding of things, and are considered super normal.

The best bet is to lay down in the middle. You have to accept, that at least to some people, spirits are real, gods are real, things beyond the everyday are real. They also have to accept that to you, there is no room for such things in the logical mind.

To myself though, I think everything is totally subjective. Not one of us shares the exact same world. It is all literally, in our heads. Even scientifically, external stimuli (if they are really out there) arouse our sensory organs which turn the world into electrical signals that shoot about our brain. We don't actually see THE WORLD we just get our own interpritation of it, filtered by our biological lenses. nothing is true everything is permitted

I'm 100% with you though yoda when you say everything is natural. How could something not be natural? If it happens, it happens. You have good insight here.

Just curious, have you had any werid **** go on in your life? Like, a ghost, or some sacred moment. Maybe you just naturally produce low levels of DMT?

@Plarkenstorf
I belive in my own facts, beacouse i belive everybody can live by his spiritual rules.
There are some unchanged physical facts, but i'm not talking about that. It looks like you dindn't get my message anyway, so it is useless for me to explain my chaotic theory of life.
I'm not a very religious person or a obsessed magick apperntice or a 100% science beliver. But I've seeked and I've found the partial answer...but not my life purpose. Not yet. I'm still young, and I have enough time.(or at least i hope so)

Originally Posted by 007m

@Plarkenstorf
I belive in my own facts, beacouse i belive everybody can live by his spiritual rules.
There are some unchanged physical facts, but i'm not talking about that. It looks like you dindn't get my message anyway, so it is useless for me to explain my chaotic theory of life.
I'm not a very religious person or a obsessed magick apperntice or a 100% science beliver. But I've seeked and I've found the partial answer...but not my life purpose. Not yet. I'm still young, and I have enough time.(or at least i hope so)

Didn't get your last message, I can't actually remember seeing it, sorry.

Explain your chaotic theory of life, go on, why not, even if I can't understand it someone else on the site might be enlightened by it.

Or it could spur on further debate.

No one has to believe in magick to have it used against them, sometimes it is best not to know.

It can work the other way around too. There are some people who for whatever reason are remarkably resistant to magic, to the extent that most magic simply ceases to function around them. As a result they are not only never witness to anything magical, but it becomes impossible for them to conceive of a magical effect and they almost invariably become atheists. Some believers have claimed that is what happened to the illusionist and psychic debunker, James Randi. He never finds authentic magic because authentic magic cannot function in his presence.

I will say it again, they don't have to believe and they don't have to know whether good or bad, no one is resistant to magick, no one. They just will chalk it up to coincidence good luck or bad luck.

Oh my, what an interesting thread

I am coming pretty much from the same place as yodatalk, the only thing I've seen work repeatedly is Remote Viewing. The rest of it was inconclusive, at least for now.

But I do like this thread, I like it a lot, because real challenges have been made and accepted. Sounds to me like time for action, not logical forum debates about what could or could not work.

Can anyone put their "money" where their mouth is, so to speak ? At the risk of sounding very ignorant of the way magick works, can anyone produce some results that are very unlikely, for yodatalk ?

Things like having 2 fractures in the same month are statistically very unlikely. Getting 2 or more diseases of any sort, in short succession, having one's home flooded and then struck by lightning shortly after, etc etc.

These are just ideas of things that would certainly send a skeptic at least thinking about matters of magick, and yodatalk please share with us any other ideas of what would constitute good and acceptable tests in this case, good enough to score some points.

And remember, it's not bad karma if your victim asks you for bad things to happen

I do not believe in spirits. I do not believe in god/s. I do not believe there is an afterlife. Thus Religion, magic, mysticism has no place. Anything unusual that can't be explained by science I believe is just a natural phenomena that can eventaul be explained.

Here is something you can have fun with.

Devote most of your free time to studying demonology. Focus on nothing else.
After three weeks, begin to take walks at night.

Then you will come back here screaming about how beelzebub jumped out from the shadows of an alley way and attacked you.

Would it be real? Only one way to find out. The fact you will see demons if you do this however, is guaranteed.

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And that is an opinion, not a fact . Who knows, the soul itself could be explained by science one day. Also, I have seen auras since I was child and have been astral projecting my entire life. I am not saying it doesn't exist, I am saying it has scientific explanations if it does exist.

So...why then have you waited until now to just say that? I completely agree that magic is something that can be explained scientifically; it is a part of science. That's something that I don't understand why some of you are grouping them differently. Shouldn't we be trying to know, not believe? It looks to me like you're on the same page but you're just trying to emphasize that you're not trying to just believe in it, but know it for what it is?

And as for the whole suggestion of the spells/curses, yes, its true that that does have an influence. But it's because we all have the ability to manipulate energies like you said and the more you excersize that power like with your sixth sense the more you can influence those energies. The more powerful you are the more likely you can influence those who are ignorant of what is going on. It's all pretty much a battle of will power. You see that the religious (as in holy, christian, etc) are weak-minded/illogical because they don't believe in personal strength because they leave everything they can't understand up to their god and waste their time thinking that to question and try to figure things out is evil so no progress is made. But people who try to manipulate them with occult may find it hard to because even though their minds are weak they still build up their faith, petty as it is and that is the personal strength that they don't even know they're using.

After all, why has there always been the few of us who question their faiths? Because we realize that their religion is pointless bullshit and from that we grow stronger than them. It's all survival of the fittest. The only reason why there are so many more stupid people than smart people is because technology keeps more of everyone alive. And for some reason the wrong people get put in power in most societies... But through over a millenium of oppression and ignorance, people like us have still survived.

As for me, yeah I go by what is proven. Mostly what is spiritual/magic that has been proven to me have been intuition, dream foresight (but predictions are not set in stone, they are mainly what is most likely to happen if you don't do something to change it. we are not part of a plot in a story), and auras/energies.