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    well i really dont care if people think what i practice works or not no magician should, i did start my journy in the occult thru shaolin training though..... so like any other qi gong master would say it doesnt matter because if my qi doesnt stop you my fists will. lol and i do have a curiosity of aitheism (i hope you dont take offense i really am just curious) if you truelly do not believe in anything than why not just kill your self and find out? i mean if nothing happens after you die than why go on suffering here on earth? im just wandering because if i were aitheist thats how i would view things, which is why im not aetheist. i mean really other than spiritual accension what is worth living for? money? women? possesions? children (who also have no point, so what was the meaning for their creation)? im sorry im just at a loss when it comes to aitheists but like i said i really dont mean any offense by this i believe everyone should believe in what they want. hell im just glad your beliefs dont make you want to burn me at the stake XD

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    oh i forgot to point out most scientist have been occultists... look it up, the father of rocketry, the guy who made the first pressurized space suit, hell even isaac newton who wrote the framwork for physics..... i mean come on man im a physics major for crying out loud and i will be the first to admit science has its limits and huge scientific gains usually coordinate with spikes (gained interest) in the occult...... you know gaining hidden knowledge or knowledge of all sciences.... even a mathematician will tell you that with enough mathematical prowess you can predict the future and if that is not a form of magic i dont know what is. but heres a request from me.... check out Dr. Edgar Mitchelle, the sixth man to walk on the moon, and his theory of quantum hologram. also check out a man by the name of Carl Jung. i cant blame you though, the people using magic for wicked purposes dont want you to know that it exists, occult means secret knowledge, so do you really think you can get a few books and they will tell you exactly how to bend reallity to your will, man it takes alot more work than that. maybe i was to heated on this topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestor View Post
    I wonder if true atheists are immune to any forms of magick. By true atheist I mean a person who honestly doesn't believe in any forms of magick, deietes, occult and spirituality.
    It's difficult to address this. We would have to apply it on an individual basis. The most interesting aspect to the question for me is just how seductive occult philosophies, beliefs and concepts might be.

    To discover a person so heavily guarded and in that much control over themselves that, even after reading a series of books on - for example - the art of hexcraft, that they do not demonstrate the slightest amount of doubt when then lead into a room with 13 women, are then told that the women are all witches and a ritual is then performed designed to curse the man.

    If this man does not suffer from the slightest glimmer of after effects - even if the display is of a highly theatrical nature, having no grounding in witchcraft related literature and that the 13 women were indeed not witches but actors - If this man can forget this and not even jest about it.

    Then I might have to bow to this man and request that he teach me his methods if I were not privy to additional knowledge.

    Even within the realm of psychology, one cannot ignore such influence with knowledge of the collective subconscious. If this theory is correct, then all beings thought of - created by man or mind - by book or vision - remembered or forgotten - exist and are every bit as real as you or I. Maybe even moreso than us if we are to believe that we know exactly where we are.

    Given this concept, how can anyone be truly immune from magick?



    Quote Originally Posted by Kestor View Post
    There is a saying that if you don't believe in magick you can't do magick. I wonder if it applies to the one whom magick is casted as well. I have met people who practice such arts (some on the "darker" side) and they sustain truly atheistic persons are immune to magick (they can't cast nor can it affect them). Of course, I have met those who pretend they can prove the opposite.
    From personal experience I have undergone a certain initiation for which I thought I held no belief at the time (of course I cannot know whether my unconscious mind already believed). It was a case of "prove it!" from my stand-point. And it was proven to me with great strength.

    My current standpoint, therefore, is that occultism can be a true science. If a procedure works, you don't need any belief; simply that following a set method will repeat the same results - as I understand ceremonial magic to be.

    Of course, there are counterpoints to this such as belief in the strength of one's will; which I also happen to prescribe to, despite the apparent contradictions. Belief certainly should be a variable and not a constant. Or maybe better viewed as a singular element that is fuelled by "beliefs" and that the nature of such beliefs are not important so long as they promote the individual - which would lean more towards chaos magick and Satanism.


    EDIT: Grammatical error.
    Last edited by Dajai; 03-27-2011 at 09:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestor View Post
    I wonder if true atheists are immune to any forms of magick. By true atheist I mean a person who honestly doesn't believe in any forms of magick, deietes, occult and spirituality.
    I'm sure that there's plenty of people out there that lack imaginative quality to believe in things they can't see, energy, what have you..

    but even a true atheist on some level has to believe in *themselves* nontheless.

    I imagine that non-believers in the world make the more powerful believers, the more hateful -- the potential to be the most loving. The more dull, the potential to be the most brilliant.

    that being said, whatever lies dormant or active inside someone doesn't change the raw possibilities for effectiveness, I feel.
    "Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right" -Henry Ford

    “I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?” - John Lennon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlett 156 View Post
    There are many things, a whole fuckin WORLD FULL OF THINGS, that we do not have to invest any belief in whatsoever in order for them to work; I do not have to believe that the sun will rise, and yet it will; I do not have to believe that I will eventually die, because some day I will (sometimes it's the only thing to look forward to); I do not have to believe that your mother is fat enough to throw the Harmonic Alignment out of whack, because it was in Newsweek Magazine, et cetera.
    This is well put by Scarlett ^ .. there are some things people choose to agree with or deny -- regardless of how irrefutable it really is.

    This probably covers just about anything in life regarding believing or disbelieving.
    "Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right" -Henry Ford

    “I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?” - John Lennon

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