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    Your posts resonate with me, Gazeeboh. I share your frustration with this country of ours. I'm ashamed of what this country has become and I wish that every American could understand what I mean by that.
    To me Satan is temptation, not a man. To personify Satan as a human would be just as ignorant as our Christian brothers and sisters. I respect Satan but do not worship Satan. I know enough about Satan's purpose to know that, in the big picture, Satan's role is very important. We must look at Darkness as a way to better ourselves through example. Darkness teaches us morality not by telling us what we should do but what we should not do. I have experienced the power of the One True God whom I call 'Source' and I do NOT want to be it's foe. I fight with Satan whenever I contemplate my addictions or my desires. I draw my life from Source and I use Satan as a scaffold.


    Darkness has no original ideas so do not look to it for comfort of salvation.

    "Know your enemy." Rage Against the Machine


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    I do not think any one else could have put it as clearly and as beautifully as you have. I believe we are all frustrated with our countries at one time or another especially when our voice does not count. As it is the government is doing a good job representing Satan.

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    Default Its a question of balance

    The civilizations of the east may call American "The great Satan", but one must remember that they are doing it to pander to to their own populations, they don't really care what the West think.

    It is true that the secular West is excessive in its wealth, myopically planning for short term gain and ignoring the long term ramifications of its decadence and avarice. However, the conservative East is just guilty of a litany of sins. Repression of the female principle in open society, outdated and arbitrary law with punishments based more on social standing and connections than anything else, prohibiting free thought, repression of the poor and using the uneducated and mostly ignorant masses to further the political agendas of the elite classes.

    I sympathize with you as you are speaking of your own country, but do not lose sight that in order to survive, mankind as a whole has got to find a balance of Western progressive thought tempered with Eastern conservatism.
    Prick your finger it is done
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    The Angel has spread its wings
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    That's a very one sided view of the White West Gazeeboh, I wouldn't wholly agree at all. Especially the 'questions' you wrote; not all white westerns worship money and don't give a toss about anything! I'll agree that there are a lot of 'robots' out there but come on, your's is a sweeping statment to say the least.

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    The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! . . ." The New Revised Standard Version translates the same passage as "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, Son of Dawn!" In other translations we find: "O shining star of the dawn!" (Moffatt) or "O morning-star, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew Bible). The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent. And yet it is this lucifer, the bright one or lightbearer, that came to be understood by so many as the name for Satan, Lord of Darkness.

    Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes
    Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.
    Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.
    Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, shows us the way to either be One with God or to be a God ourself

    Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten) meaning adversary. The word is used more as a descriptive noun or pronoun. A fallen tree preventing a husband from getting to his injured wife would be considered a tree of shaiten, more or less.
    Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes such as the Essenes began referring to anyone not an Essene as a Shaiten. Still further the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.
    There is no Satan

    Lucifer est lux lucis

    Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms.
    Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.

    But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .

    The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
    A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

    Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.

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    ...Still further the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.
    There is no Satan
    The greatest trick the devil ever played, was to convince mankind he didn't exist.
    Prick your finger it is done
    The Moon has now eclipsed the Sun
    The Angel has spread its wings
    The time has come for bitter things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazeeboh View Post
    That's not the Satan I was referring too.

    The Satan your describing sounds more like Lucifer.

    In the old testament, Satan actually works for God. He never rebels. Actually he only really makes an appearance in Job to gamble with God. Satan bets God he can piss Job off enough to make him curse God. God cheats because he knows everything and gives Satan permission to torture his ass. Satan means, adversary, in Hebrew.

    Now, Lucifer, meaning "morning star" or "morning light" wasn't actually the devil, Satan, or any other literal fallen angel. He was actually a king in the old testament. I forget where he was from or what he did, but the Jews didn't like it. So they wrote about him "falling from heaven" and all that. This is taken by most all Christians and modern day popular opinion to be the Devil (who really didn't come fully into play until the church ate pagan ideals)

    The Lucifer of Luciferianism is viewed as a Prometheus figure in a way. Stealing fire from God. He is an enlightened being who broke the rules to get his knowledge. He encourages us to eat from whatever tree we want.

    But when I wrote about Satan, I simply meant it in terms of "The God of this World". Satan is material worship and death worship. Playing with your own **** and zero sum games.

    I apologize if you already knew all that but I felt I should clarify for those who do not.
    I take lucifer as referring to the sun falling for the night to begin.

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