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It's obvious that we can go to other worlds by astral projecting, so what worlds have you all been to?
I myself haven't been to any, but I like to gaze at the stars sometimes. I'm just curious to find out about of other places people have been to, and what worlds exists that I could visit.
There is this one place I went, sometimes I'll be alone and sometimes I won't , this place has two or three moons, and it's an island. Other times I just stay on one plain. It's easy to get lost and it's easy to come across somewhere you don't belong.
Sometimes you can slip in another realm but me personaly I don't think we as human spirits can survive in another realm like world then again I've never experianced it so I am not too sure on that.
Emma would know this, there are seven globes to every planet except the sun, and , seven sacred planets and seven realms but I believe Emma teachers that there are more than seven realms. I am natural woman of the earth and am very content to stay with my feet here and no where else.
i teach astral travel and the different realms. you will always be able to get back in your body as you are hooked by a silver cord which only breaks when it is time for death. a CM who is extremely advanced has a goal of dying and living in the astral; and Zelda will tell you Alchemists have this goal. Tolka is right in saying you should curb your enthusiasm for wanting to travel constantly as it can be un healthy in mind spirit and body. i knew of one person who was a true adept at this but sadly she has passed over. it is best to learn to live in this world and hone your meditation skills, and learn all you can about this, before you think about it. the best defence is to keep a journal, and log all you exepreinces, all dreams are part of the other realms but dreams can be brought on by many things and is not always pure astral travel.
So does Emma, and she will tell you that all beginners end up in the lower astral, sooner or later. There is nothing you will be able to tell this woman that she doesn't already know.
there is no harm in ending up in the lower realms it will not kill you, just make you wake up fuzzy and tired. the astral realms are totally different from the worlds, which are in pieces of seven, seven rounds, seven globes, seven parts of the body, seven sacred planets, etc. the other worlds are in the mind they are not real, they are molecules that have been changed by thought processes, and just as people say they can move an object from one room to another that is just an illusion, and tolka do not take this wrong but there is no such thing as a family of astral travelers, we are in the real world not bloody science fiction. we are stronger in the astral than we will ever be in the physical, as say a demon attacked you in the astral and the physical you have a much better chance of defeating them in the astral than in the physical. i could go on and on and explain each realm, and what they house, and the different shells but i don't have the time, and frankly i save it for my students.
Emma teaches children, as well as their parents, so that is a moot point. As far as dying when you die you go to the other side, or if you believe in reincarnation which i don't you will be reborn again, or you dissolve into matter. these astral realms as Emma pointed out are seven in number, even though i don't bother to travel doesn't mean i can't. there are teachers and masters and all who live in the astral, and these visions of different dimensions are just that visions, brought on by the subconscious memories in the mind, which can conjure what has already been there, they are illusions, brought on by a self hypnosis which convinces us we are where we are, and wandering visitor the way you can tell is if you make a meeting and end up where you plan.
wandering visitor i am sure Emma will meet you any where at any time and any place and then you will know whether is is real or not. Tolka this is not a contest, and you are wrong in a lot of your points but I suspect it is because you are still just at the beginning of your journey. enough said. if people can not behave i will close the damn thread till they do.
A scare is not going to kill you and if they decided to go on then fine if not then it is not time for them. it is not a serious deal, you are making too much out of this, way too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tolka
if a person has to do drugs and alcohol to travel then all they are going to attract is low level entities, go into a bar and if you are psychic you can see the bloody things attaching themselves to the people. appearing before you, there is no way, you may see your self but your self can not speak in the physical, and they can't come out of the astral and become physical, and if you are seeing them you are seeing them in the astral thinking they are physical. this is what i mean by illusion, your third eye is sensing them and seeing them but you yourself are not. everyone astral travels at night , most don't know it and put it down to dreaming or night mares. Magi has also been traveling since he was very young, and is a esteemed channel, and you seem Tolka to be misunderstanding what he is saying to you, in fact you are just repeating what he said. as i said at another forum, you honor your physical by taking care of it and you thank your astral for protecting the physical, you don't go around at night drinking and doing drugs and then expecting to have a safe astral travel, and then trying to post your theories when you are drunk.
you are very wise bullfrogsrules, and you are right it is not written in stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullfrogsrules
Has it ever occurred to any one that there is no right and wrong in this, you are all coming from different back grounds and teachings and are all taught different ways and see this subject in you own individual practice, no one is better than the other, some have been doing it longer than most and some are taught by adepts and Magi is probably channeling, and he is making perfect sense to me, so agree to disagree please!
I have another headache. I am getting off.
Well what a thread, they are called the seven planes of being also, and are part of the hierarchy, each realm is one above the other, as above so below.
this thread is no longer making sense and this one upmanship has got to go, you are both right and are both wrong, forget the astral ****, we here all know about Einsteins theory, the formula, the ability to travel from realm to realm. i meant when i said the word seven just as there is an earth there are six more globes seven rounds and blah blah blah. The dimensions or doorways also correspond to the seven main chakras and the fifty two meridians. the silly conspiracy theories about a boy getting stuck in a wall, a man disappearing in another dimension, these dimensions are doorways that go from room to room but they are not real, they are seen with the third eye and in the astral, they are in our deep subconscious, we create them through thought processes pranic energy and by rearranging the molecules of ourselves and the room we actually go through a mass hypnosis and not only convince ourselves but anyone near us this is real. I will say it one more time astral travel can be easy for some who are natural but they can also travel erratically, some can't travel at all, and others must practice at it, but there are many ways to perfect this, and it is different for every one. children are less afraid than adults because they come with no misconceptions, but being hooked by the silver cord you will never get lost never die unless it is your time and you will always return, so let's get that out of the way, the first step is the hardest and a lot become afraid and won't go any further, as soon as they realize they can come back they take the step and all goes well. i don't like people putting fears in other's mind, and i am not too happy about making too much out of something that is natural and can be very helpful. as far as astral there are seven main realms as a hierarchy and there are different beings in theses realms there are five more but they are on;y known to certain people. i am bloody tired of this don't do that do this attitude. it is what it is, usually people who give warnings either had a bad experience at first or are unsure in their ability. not every one is going to get this and not all will want to or understand it, due to closed minds. you can not die, yes if you wander to one of the lower realms where there are shells you will be afraid and may come back with a bruise or two but with guidance practice and under someone who knows what they are doing and not someone who's ego is so puffed up he thinks he can have a few beers and be able to actually make sense, and Magi does make sense, although he should have been a bit nicer but Tolka i noticed at EM if you don't understand something instead of admitting you don't you circle around and around and then make excuses, you did that with savitR. this thread is getting bloody stupid, and i have nothing more to say as frankly it is a waste of my time as one of the members put it. i have traveled all over but i prefer to stay in the divine astral, i can always see photos of France and i am not concerned with venus leave it for the new age people like shirley maclaine. oh one more bloody thing magi does not smoke drink spirits or do drugs, he doesn't sit in front of a telly drinking one beer after another, till he can't make sense.
I am closing this thread for a few days, till everyone can calm down. Magi you are a mod and you know better, Tolka don't be disrespectful to a mod. Emma you know your ****, that I will say. Thanks.