I know some of you will scorn me for being ignorant. However, the only way to fight ignorance is through education so hopefully I'll be educated here. My question is, what is the difference between Spiritual Satanism and Theistic Satanism?
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I know some of you will scorn me for being ignorant. However, the only way to fight ignorance is through education so hopefully I'll be educated here. My question is, what is the difference between Spiritual Satanism and Theistic Satanism?
Theistic Satanism - worships satan and demons.
Spiritual Satanism - worshipping satan and demons is an option. Both are focused on satan and both can radically have differences but theistic satanism generally worships Satan.
I have found that theistic & spiritual satanism (as they are termed here) are not true LHP's.
There is no desire to separate one's Self from the Ordered Universe and to create one's own paradigm.
By the worshiping of satan (or anything other than one's Self) you are in essence still within the Abrahamic parameters of a satan (and demons/angels) within the confines of these faiths.
Which is fine, but one is 'atoning' with something (satan in this case) which is for the most part the antimonian counter-balance to the Abrahamic God.
This is not a LHP procedure.
EM
Hello esoterica,
You can begin the LHP from any other Belief System, it doesn't matter. I think what does matter is that you understand that there is an Ordered Universe that is referred to as the Divine aspect, and it is This in which we are to separate ourselves from as much as possible in order to tread a true LHP.
If we see 'satan' as an archetypal symbol and not as a Being, then this 'adversarial' archetype can be traced back to the dawn of intelligent Man.
My belief is that by allowing the Abrahamic faiths to define Your satanism is to remain in the grip of this Belief System.
For me satanism is much more than just rebelling against that Abrahamic god-dude.
EM
If you are referring to creating an altered state of consciousness by way of mental disorder, then no I have not.
Is that what you mean?
I define Nirvana as the egocentric merging of the Self with the objective universe and the psychonaut as the 'shaman' sort of speak.
So, if this is what you mean then again No, I am not interested in atonement with the objective universe / God / natural order.
Am I getting closer?
EM
Any form of reverence or worship is essentially worthless without the goal of apotheosis, or godhead. This is the essence of Spiritual Satanism in the most true LHP sense.
For me, Satan does not just represent abrahamic rebellion but really the resistant King reclaiming his throne post-insurrection. The name to me means many names associated with king gods in ancient scriptures. Ea, Baal,Osiris, Shiva, Odin have all been labelled as Satan by the sons of zion and if you look closely you'll see they are all the kings and they are all creators . YHWH is the caananite god of chaos and the elements, never a king until abraham says so.
As you can plainly see I have not limited myself with judaism.
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Originally Posted by EtuMalku
I tend to agree with this.
The Left Hand Path itself is the path of disunion from the natural order or
Objective Universe.
I think what is also being neglected is not only the ''birth'' or ''coming into being/becoming'' of one's Self from the universal order but also the refinement of one's self. The worship of Satan in this instance, I agree with EtuMalku, is a form of ''atonement''. You would be refining one's self into what the ''eyes'' of ''Satan'' would be.
Why is the prince of darkness always contributed with the concept of creation with theistic/spiritual satanists? Isn't that concept spreading from Judeo-Christian lore about Satan being ''God of this world?''. Most of those deities you mentioned desire Man to bow down as obedient slaves to the universal order and will of the gods. Shiva himself desires Man to attain ''moksha'' which is liberation from this world. This is why Shiva is a God of death and is considered holy... Osiris also has a lot more qualities that link him with christ rather than Satan.Quote:
For me, Satan does not just represent abrahamic rebellion but really the resistant King reclaiming his throne post-insurrection. The name to me means many names associated with king gods in ancient scriptures. Ea, Baal,Osiris, Shiva, Odin have all been labelled as Satan by the sons of zion and if you look closely you'll see they are all the kings and they are all creators . YHWH is the caananite god of chaos and the elements, never a king until abraham says so.
''Baal'' means ''Lord'' and is also a Canaanite God. Before he was worship as the Supreme Deity and his name was ''Ha'dad'' or ''The Father''. Judeism basically took the lore and culture of many because it was enslaved or went to war with many, and exchanged teachings and eventually the concept of ''God'' appeared. The only one that can really be linked to Lucifer/Satan is Odin.
I find your definition of Satanism (in those respects) very short-sighted and rather ignorant. You are aware that Theistic Satanists don't just reverse the bible and worship accordingly, aren't you? Most of the Satanists I have interacted with speak of themselves becoming as gods, not worshiping themselves as if they are gods already and especially not using some old Judaic faith to define their religion (as you have). Atonements are made when one has sinned, but as Satanists don't believe in sin, (Laveyans excluded) one is not 'atoning' for anything. The simple act of worshiping an external deity does not exclude you from being LHP, and simply worshiping yourself doesn't make you a god.Quote:
Originally Posted by EtuMalku