Ive noticed that their are branches of Luciferianism like Gnostic Luciferianism, but then there is just plain Gnosticism as well. And then Satanists or Luciferians tend to practice the same stuff as the Right Hand Path occultists. Do these two groups LHP and RHP have the same goals, or do they have opposite goals but use the same methods of magical evocation and ritual because these methods are the ones that work best, whether its for light or dark.
My general byline is that the RHP seeks, 'union,' while the LHP seeks, 'freedom.' Still, the definition of the two terms is sort of up for grabs - and there are other definitions that even make sense.
Yes, they do. At least as much as any two people can share the same goals.
it all depends on how you define things mostly one has to look at the ethics, or what are you willing to do to get to your goals. In my opinion that is the difference.
No, they do not.
The RHP seeks to absolve into the objective universe, to atone with what they refer to as Deity/God, to harmonize with the Creation.
The LHP seeks to Become a god and to separate from this 'creation', to Become a Creator.
Luciferianism, as well as Satanism is a philosophy that assists in this LHP, they are NOT the Way to this Path's Goal, only Personal Work and dedication/focus will accomplish this.
Thank you for clarifying that, EtuMalku. We seek to become Immortals (gods) and creators, but also return back to the infinite Void of Wuji, which is the non-manifested source of all power, as well as the subjective and objective universes.Quote:
Originally Posted by EtuMalku
Any path one pursues is ultimately for selfish gains, and this is a good thing. Selfish doesn't necessarily imply greed or maliciousness towards others, but can turn into these things if left unchecked. The problem I see here is essentially a human one, insofar as we need to compartmentalize and label things, even when we say that we do not. One person's heaven is another person's hell, so to speak, and we therefore have many different paths available to us. I would, however, say the in the end, LHP and RHP practitioners DO in fact share the same goals in that they each pursue paths that they feel will lead them to where they want to be in terms of personal evolution and Being. It's just that the ideas about what the realized goal actually is and the methods for achieving such are sometimes quite different. But we all basically have the same goals. We want what we want, whatever it may be.
I was beginning to get hives from the idea of similar goals till you posted that ghost. A similar goal being that "we strive for what we want" is much easier to swallow than lumping everyone in the category of wanting to help others in one way or another kind of mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost of Shaolin
Cool. I think that's really what it all boils down to. We want what we want, and we have different ideas about how to get what we want. So, we do different things to achieve that end. At their core, the goals are the same. Pure altruism (which I don't believe truly exists), for example, is not what one is really striving for if they act altruistically. Altruism is a tool for getting that person to where they want to be in accordance with their developmental model. In other words, by being altruistic, that person believes they will ultimately get what they want. KashakuTatsu, I'm glad to hear that I helped keep you out of the Benadryl. Why am I happy that you're not covered in hives? For my own personal evolution, of course! :)
I'm sorry, what is CM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iza
Theosophy is not a LHP and does not seek to separate from the objective universe in order to Become godlike. It seeks to atone with the objective universe.
Please point out where it does to me?