anybody heard of the pua community?

when i first started studying the illuminati i was really drawn in by the fact that i saw a lot of references to herbal hollistic medicine which i had read about months earlier and really believed in. these illuminati websites also talked about the transfer of social "value" and how our emotional systems work not to mention more references to nlp. this truly shocked me as i had been ready books by neil strauss and another guy whose nickname is mystery who teach about the ubiquitous and systematic mating rituals and how to attract females based on evolutionary behavioral psychology. niel strauss also makes a lot of allusions to the illuminati as many gurus of the community take names like herbal some other new age terms and even talks about how some of his fellow "venusian artist" friends were into new age spirituality. and they all practice nlp. niel also talks about in his book the game how the community is similar to scientology and just leaves it up to you on whether or not scientology is the illuminati. my question is could pickup actually be another way people are getting into the occult as it is no doubt a tool for manipulation. all im seeing these days is people talking about these people in a positive light no negative expose so far. i have also posted on some pickup forums asking whether pickup is occult but i was told the only occult member left. i am asking if pickup is occult but please feel free to elaborate on these venusian artists involvement with the occult.

when i say new age or occult i am specifically talking about the kabbalah. the pickup arts are really an underground internet and seminar body of knowledge... what im noticing about it is that it is systematically geared to achieve sexual goals without the woman's true consent as the girl loses control and evolutionarily feels attracted to the man and thus you end up being able to do whatever you want with the girls body. and they act like oh its not bad the female is evolutionarily designed to mate with males with certain characteristics and that appreciate them for their personality and not looks as well (thats prob true). they act like relationships are a value exchange and their main goal in life is survival and also replication claiming all of our emotions literally motivate us in this manner. well this art seems like their pushing adam weishaupts atheist ideals to unleash the nihilists of the world and so on... it seems like its the textbook luciferian and gnostic doctrine? but im ASKING if this is true to those who know about this!

i also read the game because i thought it was interesting. i also thought occult secret societies had alot in common with pua communities. i dont feel as though they are manipulating women, they are just learning to show women what they want. Responsibility for ones actions is an important philosophy to me and i feel like if a women hooks up with a bad guy, it is her fault. that may sound harsh but when people take accountability for their actions, this enables them more freedom to create their own life, rather than be controlled.

if u really read about some of these pick up artist guys, sometimes they get really into the metaphysical. I remember watching seminars on youtube of a guy named Hypnotica. Im sure you would find it very interesting. His approach isnt so much lines of words he says but about an energy that he projects.

Personally i wouldnt be surprised if alot of pick up artists are members of secret societies. Also noticed the book The Game is bound together in a cover that is designed to look like black leather, kind of like the bible.

i think the community is supporting the new age. as in the game style compares it to scientology. coincidentally anyytime any of these self help gurus or the business oriented puas talk about their spiuritual ideas and worldview or the ego its textbook mysticism. back when i first began to read about the illuminati websites would also talk about hollistic medicine, political stuff or even nlp and i was like wow its all witchcraft interesting the things i had studied and beleived in months before turned out to all be a peice of info on the truth about metaphyysics pretty much all tied together with exposing the masons. it even kmentioned social value whixch is a pickup model.

I've read The Game by Neil Strauss and have studied a great deal of PUA material in the past and I can assure you, the PUA subculture definitely has roots in the occult. The whole art is centered around the psychological manipulation of the female psyche. "Venusian Arts" is, of course, a play on the symbolism of Venus/Aphodite/Guanyin/Ishar/Inanna/Astarte, all deities of love, fertility, femininity, etc.

Mystery's attire also tends to be dark and flashy, rife with symbols and imagery - obviously influenced by amulets and talismans.