Thread: If you are not a Satanist...

To jump back in response, I think I overreacted. I just hate when people pretend to be something they aren't. Lying has an enormous upside in manipulation. However, in a trusted environment I felt threatened by the mention of lies and role playing. Sorry for the thin skin.

I question whether these so called "Satanists" are in fact Satanists in any way by the definition of which it is coined to be a "LaVeyan Satanist". Any study of Anton would not likely call themselves a Satanist and anyone who does while conforming to it is not a true study at all. No offense but there are quite a lot of poseurs in Satanism these days. I hope you aren't too offended.

Originally Posted by agedone

I question whether these so called "Satanists" are in fact Satanists in any way by the definition of which it is coined to be a "LaVeyan Satanist". Any study of Anton would not likely call themselves a Satanist and anyone who does while conforming to it is not a true study at all.

Could you perhaps explain this further please.

I am of course speaking of Herd Conformity.

Originally Posted by The 9 Satanic Sins

Herd Conformity — That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely, instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

I think it should be fairly obvious what sort of conformity Anton spoke of and I feel that includes the Church of Satan as well. Does he not wish us to be free? Then why would he contain us within a sphere of influence he himself placed upon us. Simply, he would not. So a true satanist would not call himself a satanist because anyone who truly invokes everything Anton taught would invoke it in such a way that they would conform to nothing but themselves and would trust no one over their own judgments and concerns. To put it lightly, the Church of Satan would be beneath them.

Originally Posted by The Satanic Bible

I question all things. As I stand before the festering and varnished facades of your haughtiest moral dogmas, I write thereon in letters of blazing scorn: Lo and behold; all this is fraud!

As environments change, no human ideal standeth sure!

Whenever, therefore, a lie has built unto itself a throne, let it be assailed without pity and without regret, for under the domination of an inconvenient falsehood, no one can prosper.

Let established sophisms be dethroned, rooted out, burnt and destroyed, for they are a standing menace to all true nobility of thought and action!

Popular lies have ever been the most potent enemies of personal liberty. There is only one way to deal with them: Cut them out, to the very core, just as cancers. Exterminate them root and branch. Annihilate them, or they will us!

For instance, a lot of people look at Marilyn Manson as a Satanist. He is a Reverend so why not look at him like a Satanist? Well has he done anything really Satanic lately? No, not really. He stands there on stage talking about subjects that people will listen to and his entire goal is to make more money. To do this he has to get people to believe, or at least fear, what he is saying. He drops his baggage, he lets go of the thoughts and moral dogma placed upon him to get what he desires, this both makes him of Satanism and not of Satanism because he invokes 1 side of it while shunning the other. True Satanists would be the people he surrounds himself with who do not identify themselves as Satanists but act very Satanic. They are not conforming to anything. They are simply listening and being heard.

So really I feel that to even call yourself a Satanist is counter-productive to what Satanism is all about. Anton preached of ego and destruction but he did not preach of a conformity to it. To that end I feel that there are very few True Satanists in these modern times and many Satanists have shared this opinion from time to time over the years.

Originally Posted by Gazeeboh

EtuMalku says - Hi guys, I forgot how to laugh and all the joy fell out of me a long time ago. I can't take a joke, sense sarcasm, or otherwise relax and realize when someone isn't actually calling me a son of a bitch. Curses on you all because I'm totally powerful and spooky. lulz

Anyhow, SWM, you shouldn't trust me at all. But you should realize that all we ever do is role-play and wear masks. Thats the point and the fun part. You too are playing the role of enlightend one who fears for the rest of who don't get it or something like that. See? Fun right?

The guys here don't actually mean they "lie". That would be silly.

What exactly was the point of this diatribe? Why are are you putting words into my mouth?

. . . oh, and where did you say the Luciferians can post again?

Originally Posted by agedone

I am of course speaking of Herd Conformity.

I see, so by your reckoning, your one of the few true Satanists by supposedly being less conformist then people who call themselves Satanists, or members of the Church of Satan. You of course missed the point, Satanism is not just non-conformity for it's own sake. Purposeless non-conformity is just as herd-like as persistent conformity.

I will direct your attention to this.
Rebels Without Cause

Otherwise I have only one thing to say on your view, that despite the fact that you claim to be a non-conformist, you have still come to a place where Satanists congregate. Why bother if you seek non-conformity? Why go to a place where you are likely to find those that you describe, and feel are your lessers?

Is it the ego boost you get from having an audience for you one-up-manship?

Or do you not realize that your avoidance of herd behavior is superficial.

Of course you could be the real deal, and are so magnanimous as to deign to come down from your mountain of individuality and teach us poor saps how it's done.

You may even find a few who will be taken in by the latter most possibility. At least you have the comfort of knowing that you are your own special snowflake, with your own unique special specialness, just like everyone else.

Originally Posted by Stelionis Ignigenae

I see, so by your reckoning, your one of the few true Satanists by supposedly being less conformist then people who call themselves Satanists, or members of the Church of Satan. You of course missed the point, Satanism is not just non-conformity for it's own sake. Purposeless non-conformity is just as herd-like as persistent conformity.

No, actually if you go back and read what I posted you will find that I never claimed to be a Satanist at all. I was simply depositing a response to the topic you yourself brought up. You said, "I don't want to speak with anyone who is not a Satanist on this Satanism category.", to which I replied, "What exactly is it that makes you a Satanist?"

You are totally ignoring my point.

What is it that makes you whatever it is that you think you are? You sit there and cling to your silly labels and what does that bring you? Do you claim to have a better understanding of the Nine Satanic Sins than I? Do you claim to know anything more than I do? You are welcome to your ego but so am I.
This is not your house. I am not required to respect your viewpoint on what you think is Satanism.

Originally Posted by Stelionis Ignigenae

Is it the ego boost you get from having an audience for you one-up-manship?

Or do you not realize that your avoidance of herd behavior is superficial.

Of course you could be the real deal, and are so magnanimous as to deign to come down from your mountain of individuality and teach us poor saps how it's done.

You may even find a few who will be taken in by the latter most possibility. At least you have the comfort of knowing that you are your own special snowflake, with your own unique special specialness, just like everyone else.

Absolutely. Cheers.


Let it be known I am not insulted by this discussion. If anyone wishes it to continue then I am of abidance. As you said, I do love the audience and I am pleased to have your attention. I don't think anyone has been so forthcoming before. It is nice to be looked at sometimes when all you've seen is yourself. But that respect is in duality. *Smile*

I assumed you were a Satanist because you are posting in this thread. Your not a Satanist? Then why are you here?

Originally Posted by Stelionis Ignigenae

I assumed you were a Satanist because you are posting in this thread. Your not a Satanist? Then why are you here?

Hmm, I guess Im a super villian.

The Caped Anti-Crusader.

Well it's just that the purpose of my original post was to ask people who aren't Satanists not to come here and say who is and isn't a Satanist, or what is and isn't Satanism, which you did with the first post in your thread. So if your not a Satanist then I can only assume your purpose is trolling the thread.

To answer your earlier question, my willingness to accept the label is a start to being a Satanist, though would not be the end to it. But on that point many people differ in opinion, so I'm not going to bother saying. There is just no point in it. I can only say that labels may be limiting for some, and not others. If you find that you are limited by labels then you've taken the proper course of action.