Thread: Do you think Satanism is just reverse Christianity?

There is quite a marked difference between animals and humans. Us humans have something called a frontal cortex. Therefore we are capable of much more complex understanding of our environment, on the intellectual plane.
How we use this part of our brain, is really up to us. The more we use it, the more it gets trained and active.
However, some choose not to use it actively , challange it, etc. Therefore that part of the brain will be less active. So there is a difference I believe, with people and people..

There is a saying that I believe is true, when and if people wake up, from their slumber, when religion, principles (illusions) in life will be stripped off, attachments to others, etc.

'It is often when the greatest shocks and traumas are inflicted, when the exterior and ego built ‘selves’ are stripped away that the true power source, the core of life is revealed as it really is'.

This I believe is many times unfortunately what happens before people wake up.

Originally Posted by powerskeleton

I-S-O-N, you are a believer. I'm not a God worshipper, because I, for what you might think, I don't need to believe in deities. Everyday, I just don't care. I've my troubles, my needs, but all without God.



For me, evil and good is not inside us, but outside us. A beautiful person is for the most part of people. A horrible person is the same. I refer to the physical aspects.

I am not a believer. By acknowledging my human nature and feeding my emotional needs, I end up not believing or the need to believe isn't as strong. View the need to believe in something as a stomach that finally gets fed after starving for a month.

I know sounds contradictory, but I am also of the view human nature (and behavior) is contradicting as a default and many do not realize while they knowingly believe in one thing, they unknowingly act in ways that are the exact opposite of that belief. But it sounds like you managed to get such a thing under control, so I won't say any more about it.

Most religions originally were intended to be good, but however people have perverted and twisted them to their own ends.

I agree with this. It just seems the few try to be good and everyone else screw things up.

My only dislike of Theistic Satanism is the view of atoning one's Will to the Prince of Darkness which in my opinion is a direct insult to his being, since he gave us free-will and now instead of going to the God of slaves we go to the ''being'' who gave us a Mind and ask to be his slaves instead.

If anything I view there is many deities and forces, different cultures have come in contact with these forces/principles and personified them. By anthropomorphizing them they not only gained connection and power with those forces but also added onto the deity(force/principle) with their own cultural symbolism and religious goals. I am not sure why people desire to go and label The Prince of Darkness as creator, although I do like him in the concept of Khepera or Xeper-I-Set.

''I became and thus the becoming became, I became by becoming like Khepera, the God of Transformations, who became in the first time.''

It is the idea of the god of the dawn breaking free. If Set broke free from the universal womb and existed solely as a separate entity - he would have to go and give identity to all things in order to preserve his own unless the universe become a mirror reflection and he becomes lost in the dream.

Besides the story of Tiamat and The Ancient Ones there is no parallel to any ''evil'' being creating reality that is pagan (unless you speak of the Yatus who worshiped the Daevas and Ahriman).

There is quite a marked difference between animals and humans. Us humans have something called a frontal cortex. Therefore we are capable of much more complex understanding of our environment, on the intellectual plane.
How we use this part of our brain, is really up to us. The more we use it, the more it gets trained and active.
However, some choose not to use it actively , challange it, etc. Therefore that part of the brain will be less active. So there is a difference I believe, with people and people..

There is a saying that I believe is true, when and if people wake up, from their slumber, when religion, principles (illusions) in life will be stripped off, attachments to others, etc.

'It is often when the greatest shocks and traumas are inflicted, when the exterior and ego built ‘selves’ are stripped away that the true power source, the core of life is revealed as it really is'.

This I believe is many times unfortunately what happens before people wake up

So beautifully put, Light.

I think all forms of Satanism are basically the anti-thesis to all religions. In my opinion it is the reverse of Christianity but it is also the reverse of hinduism, buddhism, and many other disciplines. The self is exalted as a God and developed. In my opinion the morality of satanism also is of benefit (particularly lavey satanism's philosophical ideas) considering that it all benefits the Self as well as allows one to allow others to do what thou will.

But even the beauty of Satanism has been twisted to evil ends by people. Most of those people blame Satan as an external reason for why they did their crimes. Really, in my opinion, these people are just trying to escape from responsibility.

The True Satanist knows that they are in control of their life, they are their own sole creator of their own master plan - and thus realizes that if they cheat or harm others it will have the natural consequences of causing others not to trust or like you.

To me, everyone has Light and Darkness in them. I believe morality stems from an awareness of what is pleasureable and what is painful. A system created so that the cultures that created these moralities could function as a whole to their own environments. However, I think it goes deeper on a psychological level and it goes to what they determine to be good (the fulfillment of one's Will) and what they determine to be bad (that which causes pain). All for Vanity. We all have the desire to create as well as to destroy. To give life as well as to take it. The Satanist/Luciferian sees both sides and uses it for progress - creating new systems of thought and technology that either enhance human life or kill it with atom bombs. They could destroy rain forests or destroy bacteria and viral disease with new technologies. Man knows Good and Evil and to say otherwise is to degrade us to the level of animals. Even Jesus was moved by Lucifer in that he challenged the old testament with his formula of Agape.

In my luciferianism, the person experiences Hell (the desire to attain the goal) and once they achieve the goal reaches Heaven (self-satisfaction and a sort of rest... the self is exalted but if one stays in self-satisfaction for too long they can stagnate and decay). This brings forth the desire to be greater and do greater things - the luciferian fall back into hell in order to overcome more obstacles and attain greater pleasures. Here lies a secret of not only refining the self but making the Self immortal.

I-S-O-N sounds like a Chaos Magician.

Thank you devakxes, exquisitly put once again.

I-S-O-N sounds like a Chaos Magician.

I am trying to be one. The question is, did I pick it or did it pick me? One of the drawings I seen in Liber Null was something I have been seeing in my dreams for weeks.

As of right now, I am trying to decondition myself according to Peter Carrol's advice in Liber Null by trying to become Christian.

He didn't necessarily say you had to become christian, you just have to become monotheistic, polytheistic, atheist, and nihilist.
Switching between these is radical.

So you could make ''The Prince of Darkness'' the sole focus, and then all other demons and gods to be manifestations of Him or (if you want the paradigm shift to be more radical) just false creations of the human mind.

Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany

I do not believe in God nor in Satan so to me it is futile in it's enormity. When you think about it everything is reversed.

I agree 110%.

I like how description you get when you reply Great American Desert. But I want more detail. I would think that the complete reverse of Christianity would require the opposites of their core belief structure:

Christianity:
• God – triune, able to create and destroy, all loving, jealous, forgiving
• Jesus – son of God and man, died to forgive all sin
• Faith – a gift from God, like a gift humans may reject it, but have no power over receiving it
• Life after death – heaven (eternal perfection) or hell (eternal torture)

The Complete opposite would be:
• God – doesn't exist
• Jesus – a man who did nothing or did not exist
• Faith – earned or personally achieved
• Life after death – there is none

The final question would be: is there a faith that fits the complete opposite?

Interesting discussion.
This is my first posting, and yes I did target this thread specifically.

I think that everyone should be free to define themselves in any way they wish. Whatever you wish to call yourself, however you wish to define your personal path, that's your right.

I would like to respectfully suggest however, that everyone should examine the terminology they have chosen for themselves & give it some careful thought. I will use Great American Desert's posting to illustrate what I'm saying.

GAD said; "That aside, and to the point of the thread, I believe that Satanism is reverse Christianity for almost everybody, at least at the beginning of their path".

Are you sure the idea you want to communicate is best expressed as "reverse"? Here's a common definition of reverse; "Going in or turned toward the direction opposite to that previously stated, i.e., backwards"

If someone practised "reverse-christianity", wouldn't that mean they do/practise the direct opposite of what Christians claim to practise? Wouldn't that mean, for example, living out a reversed Ten Commandments in your daily life?

Wouldn't that mean dishonouring (whatever that means) your parents on a daily basis? What if your parents were also self-described Satanists?
Wouldn't that mean committing murder from time to time, or at least constantly seeking an opportunity to do so?
Wouldn't that mean stealing whatever you can, whenever you can, from anyone & everyone you know?
Wouldn't that mean "bearing false witness" about everyone around you, to everyone else around you?

Wouldn't all this make you an intolerable menace, even to other Satanists?

What about the seven deadly sins? Those would become seven life-giving virtues, right? You'd actively cultivate practise on a daily basis;
- seeing everyone you meet as a sex partner? What about minors?
- striving to become obesely overweight?
- putting the acquisition of goods ahead of everthing else, including changing your religious/spiritual beliefs if offered enough money?
- always seeing yourself as a loser in comparison to others?
- never doing any work or bothering to get anything done?

GAD said; " See, Satanism is at its core a religion against a religion"
"But it could be argued that theirs is a true reverse Christianity, since the starkest contrast to belief is disbelief - so not only have they adopted the symbols that are painful to Christ, but they have also reversed belief itself into disbelief...a true reverse Christianity"

Is it possible that the word "anti" might better describe what you mean, here?
"an·ti/ˈanˌtī/
Noun: A person opposed to a particular policy, activity, or idea"

Are you really defining Satanism as ANTI-christianity?

You have a lot of intriguing points here. Have you read NIETZCHE'S THE ANTICHRIST and if so how do you think it applies herein?