Thread: Do you think Satanism is just reverse Christianity?

Originally Posted by Strider

Few magical traditions recognize the ego as usefull, those that do are mostly concerened with wallowing in their supposed abilities and not pushing them to the point of transformation. Many who speak of being this successful or that well connected would not need to do so if this were really so, it would speak for itself in the way they conducted their connection with others. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on my second reply as you are truely a brick wall and i like you for this. As for "this new age" which one would that be? ha ha, which brings me back to said second reply on belief.
However, as Lady D said, enough of this, it is now boring and unproductive and would be well placed in another forum. Unless of course you are simply playing the accuser that you claim to despise so much? !!!

This merely betrays your lack of knowledge. Perfection of ego is most certainly part of some magick traditions. Magic, on the other hand, is merely craft, not a system of self development and is not at issue, so "magical" traditions do not apply. As pointed out, I was replying to a query, not wallowing in abilities.

Degrees of civility subjectively measured have nothing at all to do with successes in anything ~ except false seductions, perhaps. My work is all the proof of success required and it is extensive.

The New Age mentioned was capitalized, making it a proper name. That would be the one most noted in history that swirled about the publication of Stewart’s, Whole Earth. The one many of us launched in the mid sixties. I am now involved in another called CONSPIRACY that is about to hit the web.

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Originally Posted by cobra3

This merely betrays your lack of knowledge. Perfection of ego is most certainly part of some magick traditions. Magic, on the other hand, is merely craft, not a system of self development and is not at issue, so "magical" traditions do not apply. As pointed out, I was replying to a query, not wallowing in abilities.

Degrees of civility subjectively measured have nothing at all to do with successes in anything ~ except false seductions, perhaps. My work is all the proof of success required and it is extensive.

The New Age mentioned was capitalized, making it a proper name. That would be the one most noted in history that swirled about the publication of Stewart’s, Whole Earth. The one many of us launched in the mid sixties. I am now involved in another called CONSPIRACY that is about to hit the web.

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I think you will see that i said "few magical traditions" not none. How can one practice any magical "craft" and not evolve consciously? Unless one comunicates with stratified or even inferior forces perminently?
Many "new ages" are loged in the history books, that is where they belong unless they form part of a "living tradition of change" and such a thing is rarely written down for the collective mind. Anything else i want to say i`ve said in previous replies i believe so i will leave this thread up to you and yours my friend. Have fun.

Originally Posted by Strider

I think you will see that i said "few magical traditions" not none. How can one practice any magical "craft" and not evolve consciously? Unless one comunicates with stratified or even inferior forces perminently?
Many "new ages" are loged in the history books, that is where they belong unless they form part of a "living tradition of change" and such a thing is rarely written down for the collective mind. Anything else i want to say i`ve said in previous replies i believe so i will leave this thread up to you and yours my friend. Have fun.

No magic tradition deals with self perfection and all magick traditions do, by definition. One is "the craft" ~ the other "The Great Work". Most magick traditions DO deal with perfection of ego in the world. Mahatma was reproached for it at the fountain by one far less than he. Some are meant to surrender as compost does that the few may grow as the great oak from that dissolution.

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Originally Posted by Strider

I think you will see that i said "few magical traditions" not none. How can one practice any magical "craft" and not evolve consciously? Unless one comunicates with stratified or even inferior forces perminently?
Many "new ages" are loged in the history books, that is where they belong unless they form part of a "living tradition of change" and such a thing is rarely written down for the collective mind. Anything else i want to say i`ve said in previous replies i believe so i will leave this thread up to you and yours my friend. Have fun.

Too many make the fatal error of thinking transcendence is denial. Those who know better see that we are separate for that great joy of union. Those who know are grateful to transcend a greater ego for a greater transcendence. It is a weak and sickly steed you ride ~ mine, a proud stallion. Our destination may seem the same to you, to reach a point where one dismounts, but one ends in the wilderness in weakness and the other is carried to the oasis astride strength.

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cobra3, do bear in mind that I am no Satanist, so I take neither exception nor offense directly as a result of your comments. I do find them arrogant, and coupled with your championing about of who you know and what you've done (how very vogue), I'll make bold to say that your knowledge is likely more superficial than any enthusiastic Occult newbie reading everything he can get his hands on.

I know a mechanic, but I do not know how to fix a car. I know a farmer, but couldn't likely grow a useful crop. I know a doctor but can not heal another. Or do I really know people of these profession? That's the power of the internet. I can tell you I know any number of people, and you'd have no way of knowing this aside from my word. And even if I did, the fact remains that I am not who I know. And as such, even if you have known these perhaps-great, more-likely-self-aggrandizing personalities, this does not make you an expert. You may be, you may not be. You seem well read, but not any wiser than very many other of this ilk. Gnosis is not in who you know or even what you've read. You can read to attain knowledge, but Knowledge can come only by experience. So while some might be misreading these well known authors that you claim to know and fully understand, they may well Know the truths that inspired these writings. Only the individual knows for sure.

But I have to be suspicious of any fellow elevating Christianity to the status of an esoteric brotherhood that was secret for any better reason than to escape persecution. Suspicious why? Because quite frankly, it's BS. Something has hit this kind of person in a way that they couldn't quite understand. There is no more esoteric value in Christianity than there is in the Mohammed cult. I once had a supposed Luciferian tell me that I was falsely Luciferian because I did not have the love of Christ. I laughed him out of town.

You and I clearly have divergent interpretations of history. Given the impossibility of providing any empirical proof to justify either of our stances, it must logically be said that they are of equal validity. I don't believe that they're of equal validity, from my own subjective vantage, but this is the logical way to look at it. But of course you'll continue to 'talk big' and claim that your famous friends make you a master, and I'll continue calling your bluff - any man speaking with such proud authority in matters of the unobservable deserves one raised brow, myself included. Let the discerning weed through our rhetoric at their discretion. It may be found that we're both full of s**t. One mustn't confuse pretension for mastery.

The Luciferian is ever the student. True Holy Perfection is not attained in this life, and so a certain degree of humility is the appropriate etiquette.


GAD...I edited two words in your post, but not your post. We need to keep our licence so we keep the unsavoury words out of posts....Thanks

Originally Posted by Great American Desert

cobra3, do bear in mind that I am no Satanist, so I take neither exception nor offense directly as a result of your comments. I do find them arrogant, and coupled with your championing about of who you know and what you've done (how very vogue), I'll make bold to say that your knowledge is likely more superficial than any enthusiastic Occult newbie reading everything he can get his hands on.

I know a mechanic, but I do not know how to fix a car. I know a farmer, but couldn't likely grow a useful crop. I know a doctor but can not heal another. Or do I really know people of these profession? That's the power of the internet. I can tell you I know any number of people, and you'd have no way of knowing this aside from my word. And even if I did, the fact remains that I am not who I know. And as such, even if you have known these perhaps-great, more-likely-self-aggrandizing personalities, this does not make you an expert. You may be, you may not be. You seem well read, but not any wiser than very many other of this ilk. Gnosis is not in who you know or even what you've read. You can read to attain knowledge, but Knowledge can come only by experience. So while some might be misreading these well known authors that you claim to know and fully understand, they may well Know the truths that inspired these writings. Only the individual knows for sure.

But I have to be suspicious of any fellow elevating Christianity to the status of an esoteric brotherhood that was secret for any better reason than to escape persecution. Suspicious why? Because quite frankly, it's BS. Something has hit this kind of person in a way that they couldn't quite understand. There is no more esoteric value in Christianity than there is in the Mohammed cult. I once had a supposed Luciferian tell me that I was falsely Luciferian because I did not have the love of Christ. I laughed him out of town.

You and I clearly have divergent interpretations of history. Given the impossibility of providing any empirical proof to justify either of our stances, it must logically be said that they are of equal validity. I don't believe that they're of equal validity, from my own subjective vantage, but this is the logical way to look at it. But of course you'll continue to 'talk big' and claim that your famous friends make you a master, and I'll continue calling your bluff - any man speaking with such proud authority in matters of the unobservable deserves one raised brow, myself included. Let the discerning weed through our rhetoric at their discretion. It may be found that we're both full of s**t. One mustn't confuse pretension for mastery.

The Luciferian is ever the student. True Holy Perfection is not attained in this life, and so a certain degree of humility is the appropriate etiquette.


GAD...I edited two words in your post, but not your post. We need to keep our licence so we keep the unsavoury words out of posts....Thanks

Well, gee, guess that would be swell, if at all true. First, I mentioned who I know only in response to query, and do agree that it means little. More importantly was where and what I was doing when I met those individuals. I do post some evidence of who I am in a link and in photos in an album here, but all that aside ~ what we are dealing with here is not your opinion versus mine and neither confirmable. My position can most certainly and easily be confirmed. Frankly, it is far more fun holding off on doing so.

Yet, I have made references that should have been clue enough to any true seeker. There just seems so few here. Whether YHShVH is a legitimate esoteric tradition in your opinion or mine is less important than if it is in the opinion of some who have shaped the present day esoteric movement. THAT IS FACT and easily verified. Not only that, you do have to be rather ill informed not to know of it.

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Originally Posted by cobra3

Too many make the fatal error of thinking transcendence is denial. Those who know better see that we are separate for that great joy of union. Those who know are grateful to transcend a greater ego for a greater transcendence. It is a weak and sickly steed you ride ~ mine, a proud stallion. Our destination may seem the same to you, to reach a point where one dismounts, but one ends in the wilderness in weakness and the other is carried to the oasis astride strength.

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Then you at least agree that ones ego is to be trancended then, but why can not another persons be transcended in a different - though admitedly more extreme and hence "quicker" - way to your own? On another point, i never claimed your "satan" as my own simply offered an alternative take on it, one of a dozen takes i do or have in the past alternated within for purposess of Self advancement in the world, so the horse i currently ride would be unknown to you, and my destination completely alien to your own. If you could stop missreading and see your way is a path and not a full stop whilst you write, then we have been agreeing on most points. I still claim you more "satanist" than I was at your stage of ego - and most others around today,- but this is for alchemical change no?

Originally Posted by Strider

Then you at least agree that ones ego is to be trancended then, but why can not another persons be transcended in a different - though admitedly more extreme and hence "quicker" - way to your own? On another point, i never claimed your "satan" as my own simply offered an alternative take on it, one of a dozen takes i do or have in the past alternated within for purposess of Self advancement in the world, so the horse i currently ride would be unknown to you, and my destination completely alien to your own. If you could stop missreading and see your way is a path and not a full stop whilst you write, then we have been agreeing on most points. I still claim you more "satanist" than I was at your stage of ego - and most others around today,- but this is for alchemical change no?

KIDS!

You do not even begin to comprehend what transcendence means. It is not to deny ego or lesson it in any way.

As for Satan, I do not lay claim to any such superstitious claptrap. Relative to Satanism as it exists today and this topic, the one that matters is the one generally accepted by fools ~ that one defined by Satanic groups and by Anton.

You can not fool someone with my experience ~ it is obvious you do not have a clue even what transcendence is in the REAL world, and you have said not one thing that indicates comprehension of any of the “paths” (there are only five) and certainly nothing to indicate that you possess the poetic sensitivities called for in alchemy.

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And don't expect fair from me. I am as fair as any natural disaster.[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Well let's just leave the egos at the door Jerry Garcia well I'm not really impressed son have been known break bread with many in the business as being employed in the business I will say Jerry just like the rest of us is just like the rest of us a human being but more down to earth that most

and the same goes in the field and study of occultism the many mentors that I have been associated with never let there ego's cloud there site and never got into the Hollywood connection like some even the one that the Magican card is fashioned after on a widely used tarot deck that has been around probably when you were young

these same mentors said be opened to all that is give as we are here to learn from all even those that are younger than you might have had more incarnations than you that we " Take what you want and leave the rest behind "

the way I see it is that maybe Satanism is the true Christianity of old meaning that the 1st rule is Harm no child or animal where

seeing Christianity of today that is all that seems to happen !!

Originally Posted by Odin

And don't expect fair from me. I am as fair as any natural disaster.[/B][/COLOR]

Well let's just leave the egos at the door Jerry Garcia well I'm not really impressed son have been known break bread with many in the business as being employed in the business I will say Jerry just like the rest of us is just like the rest of us a human being but more down to earth that most

and the same goes in the field and study of occultism the many mentors that I have been associated with never let there ego's cloud there site and never got into the Hollywood connection like some even the one that the Magican card is fashioned after on a widely used tarot deck that has been around probably when you were young

these same mentors said be opened to all that is give as we are here to learn from all even those that are younger than you might have had more incarnations than you that we " Take what you want and leave the rest behind "

the way I see it is that maybe Satanism is the true Christianity of old meaning that the 1st rule is Harm no child or animal where

seeing Christianity of today that is all that seems to happen !![/QUOTE]

Look, we are not talking here of the same thing. First, if he had only thought of it, Dali would have said, “Never leave a perfectly good ego at the door ~ it might prove useful.”

You are rambling and near incoherent, right down to syntax, punctuation, and spelling. Pretty much invalidates anything you might have desired to convey here if you had been sober.

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