Thread: Do you think LaVeyan Satanists can be considered as REAL Satanists?

Originally Posted by AharaVimaladvaita

I think that dealing with quaestion like: Where do they come from?, where do they reside?, why do they exist? How did they come into existence? How long have they existed? What interest do they have in us and why? is just to much and no need to.

Are you speaking about Aliens or Satanists?

Will assume Satanists.

Where do they come from?

All over the world.

where do they reside?

All over the world.

why do they exist?

Biochemically - parents had sex.
Philosophically - no one can decide that, their bet, however, is the best.

How long have they existed?

Answer would depend on what you count Satanism as. If you mean LaVeyan Satanism - as soon as Mr Lavey himself had the idea and believed in it, by my reckoning.

Belief in a Satan concept? Horned spirit archetypes are pretty damn ancient.

What interest do they have in us and why?

Varies from person to person, and could probably be revealed by just talking to them. Satanists are people after all.

It may be 'too much' to want to find these things out, but doing so requires very little thought. And you can get more friends by doing it! Huzzah!

If working with them hellps you then they exist and you don't need an answers on your quaestions (for some they are just simbols and for some they realy exist in "Third World").

Existence isn't a property outside of opinion? What do you mean by "Third World"? I hope you don't mean Africa and that? Satanists aren't necessarily Ethiopian, btw, though I'd bet at least one person in Ethiopia was a Satanist.

No it wasn't me who asked those quaestions... it was Diabolos11 in one of the previous posts . For me god is everywhere.

Afrika??? What??? And what aliens??? ... When i'm talking about the "Tird World" i'mn thinking on other spiritual world .

Originally Posted by AharaVimaladvaita

I think that dealing with quaestion like: Where do they come from?, where do they reside?, why do they exist? How did they come into existence? How long have they existed? What interest do they have in us and why? is just to much and no need to.

If working with them hellps you then they exist and you don't need an answers on your quaestions (for some they are just simbols and for some they realy exist in "Third World").

If we don't ask questions then aren't we guilty of blind faith and self delusion?

Surely Satanism challenges such thinking and humanities tendencies to self delusion? Though the evidence is that this isn't alway's the case! Hence LaVeyan Satanist's mockery of all other "branches" of Satanism. And let's face it when you look around at some 'satanic' groups out there, we can clearly see some serious delusional wooly thinking in evidence.

What kind of swamp thing are you?

Originally Posted by bullfrogsrules

so you want beautiful rag.

how many have been raped how many priests raped boys, how many went to jail, how many died in the name of progress for the illuminatis dream to listen to beautiful rag because the vatican chose to have satan as the leader of satanics but the illuminati chose instead to control mid evil days in exchange for satan not being a leader. illuminati are plain right out evil as sin itself a deasese of mankind probabbly controled by the vatican making puppetry of mankind.

you here want law on the dark side pertaing to one box. sacrificing humans with vatican approval from the stretches of darkness.

mankind deserves to go to hell

remember this if you manipulate anything even demon music LIKE WHAT YOU CREATE WEATHER IT BE RAG OR NOT

Translation please!?

Originally Posted by bullfrogsrules

so you want beautiful rag.

how many have been raped how many priests raped boys, how many went to jail, how many died in the name of progress for the illuminatis dream to listen to beautiful rag because the vatican chose to have satan as the leader of satanics but the illuminati chose instead to control mid evil days in exchange for satan not being a leader. illuminati are plain right out evil as sin itself a deasese of mankind probabbly controled by the vatican making puppetry of mankind.

you here want law on the dark side pertaing to one box. sacrificing humans with vatican approval from the stretches of darkness.

mankind deserves to go to hell

remember this if you manipulate anything even demon music LIKE WHAT YOU CREATE WEATHER IT BE RAG OR NOT

Are you ok???

Every topic turns into this.

"The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the obligation to shift the assumed conclusion away from an oppositional opinion to one's own position. The burden of proof may only be fulfilled by evidence." - Wiki.

"Assumed conclusion" - if a theist and an atheist are arguing, and they both are attempting to prove their conclusion (theism is true, atheism is true) therefore both have burden of proof.

Unless a specific claim is invoked, like "God makes the sun go down." Then the burden of evidence falls on the claimant. If someone's claim is unfalsifiable there's little point in discussing it.

Originally Posted by MrK

This does not apply to a definition. The definition is usually defined by the creator of the definition in this case the Vatican and according to that Laveyan philosophy can not be called satanism. Cambridge advanced learners edition defines satanism simply as the worship of Satan. What LaVey and others claim is if no importance as long as that is the general definition of the word.

The burden of evidence does not fall with the theists.

I was responding to that part of your post. It can fall with theists, it probably does not in this case.

If LaVeyan Satanism isn't theistic in the first place of course the burden of proof in this regard isn't going to be relevant. Unless the LaVeyan had other beliefs they were claiming about. Satan doesn't make the sun go down to a LaVeyan, is what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by MrK

The burden of evidence does not fall with the theists. Satanism was defined long before LaVey was even born. The burden of evidence is always in the hand of those that want to change an already existing definition.

That argument doesn't make sense. The original definition makes a claim that can't be proven and for which there are logical arguments against. Clearly someone who makes such claims of theism can't make them without being challenged for the proof, of which, objectivly there isn't any!

I can't tell you there is a one eyed, pink unicorn at the bottom of the garden then expect you to prove me wrong!

Crossed wires - Mr K is statings points about the semantics of the way LaVeyan Satanism is defined, Satan is treated like an archetype and a symbol of the philosophies believed in by LaVeyans.

This however does not necessarily exclude a LaVeyan belief in some other divinity, or they perhaps could ascribe to LaVayen Satanism and ritually worship their Satanic archetype.

Diabolos11 is stating points about the required falsifiability of divine claims. LaVeyan Satanism (for the most part) does not make claims about the existence of any occult or supernatural phenomena.

You guys aren't actually debating or really explaining anything, just stating concordant beliefs.