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Thread: Do you think LaVeyan Satanists can be considered as REAL Satanists?

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    Default Do you think LaVeyan Satanists can be considered as REAL Satanists?

    I'm not going to lie here anyone, I absolutely DESPISE LaVeyan "Satanism". I hold the old traditional thought that if you don't believe in Him then you are not a true Satanist. I find the church insulting, they are using the One I hold most dear as nothing but a silly tale and a metaphor.

    LaVeyans believe Theistics are delusional and that the only magic that is real are "all within the realms of scientific possibility". One LaVeyan said "Without LaVey coining the term, no one would be using it except for the stereo-typical, biblical devil worshipers".

    What are your views and thoughts upon this?

    PS: I'm REALLY shocked at all the feedback I got in my first thread i started!! Thank you very much guys!

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    I don't think there should be any difference if you either view Satan as a person or principle. You know, the same discussion was in the Hindu and Christian religion as well. You should more look at the persons themselves: are they ok? Personally, I belive Satan to be a "person" or "God". But I don't think anyone who equates him with a principle does Him wrong. He is so rich, He can be anything you want. Even female. Like Exu (Eshu), the "Satan" of the Vodounists, http://ilarioba.tripod.com/images/exu.jpg, he can be very attractive and magnetical: The House of Exu Pomba-gira

    I like Him both ways-He is super sexy as Female and super powerful as a Male and attractive both ways! If you haven't acquired a knowledge about Vodoun already - and about EXU in particular - I urge you to search the internet about Exu [and Eshu] and Pombagira [viz Pomba Gira], that should benefit you, I think. It did me.

    In both His/Her incarnations He attracts and, really, cooks your soul, abolishes your conscious brain and gets you to the HOT PART OF YOURSELF immediately. He's irresistible, just blows your mind and gets you in touch with your subconscious. That's the great thing about Satan: He abolishes the little ego-part of your brain and gets you in touch with the big unconscious part of your brain. That's exactly what Saturn is: the Keeper of the Threshold - but HE IS SO KIND: if you really wish, and even if you only wish a little bit or even if you're only curious - He gives you more than you expected.

    That's what the Babyolinian scriptures say, too, Enki was the God who conspirated with humankind against the evil slaveowner Enlil/Marduk. He gave humans SOUL and told them how to be god-like. He gave them sun and lust and the probability to GROW - this is echoed in the Angra Mainyu story as well, though told a little differently - in short, Satan gave people the possibility to DIE, but also to transform, be greater than men in contrast to the Spenta Mainyu plan of keeping people as a shepherd, not allowing them to reach across any border, but in return making their lives eternal. This is like in the movie "Zardoz" where the "eternals" live eternally but boring, and Zed releases them by giving them power and passion and the ability to die
    Marduk/Enlil wasn't amused a little bit about the dna enhancing Enki did, but it was too late then.

    He tried to drown mankind klater but that's just some old story, you know.

    So don't quarrel with people who don't share your belief, noble as it may be: Get in touch with what you both share-it may be more than what divides you

    Any way, this "holy attachment" in chakra philosophy is located in the Anahata and is characterized as attachment to a special form of the deity - and is overcome when you apply Crowley's instructions like stated by Wilson in his genial work COMIC TRIGGER: "Loyola’s method is similar, except that you have no choice about which divinity to invoke. Crowley’s twist is to carry this through until you experience a real manifestation of the God, and then immediately stop, and start over with a different god. After you have run through three or four divinities in this manner, you will understand Nasrudin’s Donkey (the neuro-programmer) and you will be increasingly skeptical about everybody’s reality-maps, including your own. "

    No offense meant, in all honesty. This was written in pure love of you, mankind and Our Father Satan.

    SORRY FOR monologueing again, but that's just my way
    Last edited by Frank N. Stein; 04-19-2009 at 09:19 PM.

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    Frank N. Stein, you are AWESOME

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    Chopped Liver is awesome too, don't feel bad chopped liver.

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    Lol lokia zos I do believe there is such a thing as "satanic enlightenment" and that it is healthy to be in touch with our darkness, but I do not follow satanism as a religion. Many people, including LaVeyans, use it as an excuse for them already being sociopaths and are not what I would call "enlightened" individuals. There are plenty of exceptions however and it is all on an individual basis. That's like being a catholic and saying all baptists are bad news, or that they're not really christians.
    Last edited by VIRAL; 04-20-2009 at 01:29 AM.

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    Lady Dunsany: Nope, your not my chopped liver, your my bread with butter. is that better?

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    Can I be your jalapeno preserves?

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    Of course! How can someone not like jalepenos

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    jalepenos with nacho cheese!

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    jalapenos rule - just donj't put them in your ass. I tried that once and it was horrible- just kidding (I hope)

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